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Old 07-11-2012, 10:15 PM   #46
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I liked the looks too---

By the way---the temporary wall could be used to jack up the sag in the ceiling---f there is any--

a jack wall uses studs intentionally longer than needed--toe nailed to the top plate then beaten into plumb by thumping the studs on the bottom side.--

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Old 07-11-2012, 10:57 PM   #47
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Want some more options? Let's due away with the beam and the ceiling joists altogether. Attach 4x4'sfrom rafter to rafter every 16'', about 3' down from your ridge, and you can have a bomb diggity cathedral sheetrocked ceiling with exposed collar ties in your office . No need to apologize LVDIY, nothing wrong with going over your options before hand. A lot of the people on here post after they have screwed up and ask how to fix it. You didn't screw up, ya just didn't know you had a colony of ants you should have been charging rent.
Damn! That is exactly what I was thinking when I first started this project. Or, I didn't think of adding collar ties and those details, but I was thinking, "man, it would be cool to just rip out all the joist and leave it all open" But then I settled on just using what was already in place since it seemed more manageable for my skill level, and it looked like it was all in relatively good shape, and I thought the exposed beam would add a little bit of character at lest.

I am somewhat emotionally invested in the current ceiling since it took me forever to get the sheets up there with all the shimming and prep work I had to do. I also have the recessed lights in the ceiling, so it would set me back a bit to go that route. On the other hand, we did put in some lights in the attic, and we even added some boxes up there just in case, so I could probably use those points to install new lights higher up. Drywalling also seemed a little intimidating on the angled surfaces, but with the practice I've had now I think I could handle it.

There is also a window in the attic that would provide additional natural light which would be cool. Also I wouldn't have to worry about installing an attic ladder or how to fit a 20ft beam on my 8ft trailer... The high ceilings would probably help keep it cooler in the summer too, so maybe I don't have to get an ugly air conditioner and I can get by with a nice ceiling fan, which would look kind of cool suspended from the high ceiling.

So, if I knew then what I know now, I would probably have ripped it all out in the first place. This beam failure might be an excuse to change plans. Not sure if I'll have it all done by labor day like I was hoping though...

I shoudn't get ahead of myself, I should probably sleep on it...

Decisions, decisions...
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Old 07-11-2012, 11:23 PM   #48
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I liked the looks too---

By the way---the temporary wall could be used to jack up the sag in the ceiling---f there is any--

a jack wall uses studs intentionally longer than needed--toe nailed to the top plate then beaten into plumb by thumping the studs on the bottom side.--

If needed one of us can give you details---
I think I understand the concept. You would basically frame out a temporary wall complete with bottom and top plate that runs parallel to the beam and slightly lifts the ceiling? Does that mean I would have to remove part of my drywall in order for the joists to rest on the temp wall?
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Old 07-12-2012, 06:53 AM   #49
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No need to remove drywall---

Screw the top plate to the ceiling---

Lay the bottom plate on the floor--

Cut the studs to length plus up to 1/4" for lift--

Toe nail the top tap in the bottom until it is plumb---

Repeat if more lift is needed.

1/8" is usually max when lifting a house--but your ceiling doesn't weigh much--so 1/4" will work
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Old 07-12-2012, 04:04 PM   #50
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i'm almost certain i would just replace the joists with full length one at a time (so walls dont spread).

i think it would be faster, easier, and better result....no messing with jacking up and getting the new beam in...

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If there is any solid nailing up each side of the beam there are girder hangers that might work a little better than the old brackets. Check out a Simpson catalog. The other thing is that ants don't eat the wood, they chew through for the moisture. I think I just read an article recently that said ants don't eat dry wood. If you still had ants, look for a leak.
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i'm almost certain i would just replace the joists with full length one at a time (so walls dont spread).

i think it would be faster, easier, and better result....no messing with jacking up and getting the new beam in...

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Not sure it would be faster as it would mean also redoing drywall and recessed lights. Would there be any other benefits other than getting a straighter ceiling?
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If there is any solid nailing up each side of the beam there are girder hangers that might work a little better than the old brackets. Check out a Simpson catalog. The other thing is that ants don't eat the wood, they chew through for the moisture. I think I just read an article recently that said ants don't eat dry wood. If you still had ants, look for a leak.
There is only solid nailing on the 4x4, same width as the beam, so if I were to use Simpson hangers I guess I would have to use a 2x beam in order to get enough nailing. Would a 2x8 or 2x10 be sufficient?

As for the ants, you're right that they don't eat wood, they chew it and remove it to make room for their nests only. Their queen's nests needs a lot of moisture, but satellite nests don't necessarily require a lot of moisture as long as there are some rotten wood to be had. There are signs of some previous water damage along the wall the beam butts up to. I have found no signs of any current leaks, and I've been checking periodically even before I found this problem to avoid any catch any problems. There is a window higher up on that wall, and there also used to be an overhang or some sort of attachment on the outside that could possibly have directed water to that wall and leaking through mortar joints and what not.

I'm not sure how old the building is, but I think it's at least about 60-70 years old, so a lot could have happened before my time in terms of water damage leading to the rot.
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No need to remove drywall---

Screw the top plate to the ceiling---
Thanks! So screw through the drywall and into the joists?
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Thanks! So screw through the drywall and into the joists?
Yep--only enough screw to keep it from moving as you pound on the studs below it.
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Yep--only enough screw to keep it from moving as you pound on the studs below it.
Got it! Thanks!

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