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Old 07-11-2012, 12:06 AM   #31
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CooperClad: Yes, 4x4 runs from bottom plate to top plate. The bracket is nailed to the 4x4, and I assume there are some nails driven up through the bracket into the beam. That bottom wrap board was still in place last time I looked at it, so I only got a clear view of the bracket from the side. The beam is resting on nothing else but this bracket.

So to do this properly I would have to remove and cut down the 4x4 in order to create proper support?

hand drive: Maybe it's getting late, but raise the ceiling to make it level with what? I get the part about supporting the ceiling while replacing the beam, but I'm still not sure why I would raise the ceiling? Sorry if I'm not getting this...

No problem. maybe the most important reason for making the ceiling level is so the new beam rests against the ceiling joists evenly across the entirety of the beam from end to end.plus, a level ceiling looks good

If you sight along the beam now you will see a dip in the middle, the ceiling joists are following this dip as well and you want to raise the dip. it is best to deal with the dip before putting the temporary wall in and then the wall holds it all level while you rework the beam.

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Old 07-11-2012, 12:27 AM   #32
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CopperClad: that sounds like a plan. Thanks for all your help so far, I'll probably be back with more questions once I start this process.

hand drive: now I do get what you mean. I thought you were talking about raising the whole ceiling. Yeah the ceiling is a little wavy, rather than just a dip in center. The walls that the joists rest on are also out of level, so I doubt I can get it perfect, but if I can correct some of it, that's probably worth it. With that said though, I have yet to find anything being level in this building.
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Old 07-11-2012, 09:07 AM   #33
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CopperClad: that sounds like a plan. Thanks for all your help so far, I'll probably be back with more questions once I start this process.

hand drive: now I do get what you mean. I thought you were talking about raising the whole ceiling. Yeah the ceiling is a little wavy, rather than just a dip in center. The walls that the joists rest on are also out of level, so I doubt I can get it perfect, but if I can correct some of it, that's probably worth it. With that said though, I have yet to find anything being level in this building.

really, making it level is mostly so the new beam fits into the space correctly. once you put the beam in, the ceiling will really have no choice but to follow the level beam so it is easier to work the level ceiling out ahead of time.
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Got it! That makes sense to me now!
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And even though the 4x10 is overkill I would just put the same thing back up to minimize any extra work.
This is probably what I'll do, but just out of curiosity, what size beam would be normal for this type of span?
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Normally there would be no beam for a room that size.
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Normally there would be no beam for a room that size.
except if the joists have a break in them mid span..
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The span is 13' . A 2x6 can span that for a ceiling with no problem. So normally, there would be no beam.
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I get that under normal conditions there would be no need for it, but since my joists do overlap, I was just curious what size beam would be sufficient if a 4x10 is overkill.

Actually, I just checked the beam, and I guess those wrap boards tricked me when I judged the size. Turns out it's a 4x8, not a 4x10.

Another random thought I had: would it somehow be possible to bolt the overlapping joists together and let then span the full 13ft and just remove the beam altogether?
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A lapped and bolted joist will sag---sorry---
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LVDIY. Is cost your concern? Or after thinking about it would you prefer a flat ceiling with no exposed beam?
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A lapped and bolted joist will sag---sorry---
OK, that makes sense!
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You are back to the original three choices---saddle beam above--exposed beam below or replace with full span joists---

None are that difficult---just a matter of time and cost----
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No, I wasn't thinking of cost, and I actually like the exposed beam. I just like running through different options when faced with a task in order to pick the best one, rather than just doing what seems obvious at first. It's how I tend to approach other things. I'm a DIY newbie, so sorry if I ask a lot about a stuff that might seem obvious to you guys.

My plan is still to replace the beam.
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Want some more options? Let's due away with the beam and the ceiling joists altogether. Attach 4x4'sfrom rafter to rafter every 16'', about 3' down from your ridge, and you can have a bomb diggity cathedral sheetrocked ceiling with exposed collar ties in your office . No need to apologize LVDIY, nothing wrong with going over your options before hand. A lot of the people on here post after they have screwed up and ask how to fix it. You didn't screw up, ya just didn't know you had a colony of ants you should have been charging rent.

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