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Old 07-10-2012, 06:48 PM   #16
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OK, so I got home from work and went straight to work pulling the decorative board off the beam. Once I started prying the board off, I noticed that it too had damage on the back, so I decided to just cut the board and take it off in more manageable pieces. So I cut and removed the board in the area I figured was the worst, and as soon as I removed the piece I had carpenter ants everywhere. Luckily I had picked up a big thing of ant and termite spray last weekend, so I started hosing the suckers down.

Below are some photos of what the damage looks like. I'm looking forward to hear what you guys think!
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Old 07-10-2012, 08:13 PM   #17
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LOL that thing is done for !! You can't screw anything to that. Either remove that beam and put a new one which is your cheapest fastest option. Or full span your joists.. They must have been gnawing on that for years !!
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Old 07-10-2012, 08:46 PM   #18
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Yeah, I don't think these guys moved in last week. Or if they did, they were not the first occupants... I guess those decorative boards really made this a perfect hideout.

I'm glad someone got a laugh out of it. I'm a little bummed out as I was getting ready for finish drywall, oh well, it's a learning experience I guess....

I think you're right that replacing the beam is my best option. The good news is that the beam is just resting on those angled brackets so removing is hopefully not too complicated. And I guess I can just nail some hangers to that 4x4 for the new beam? Luckily there's also a door to the outside right next to the beam so getting the lumber in and out should be pretty straight forward too...

What size beam should I put up? Is 4x10 the proper size?
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Old 07-10-2012, 08:55 PM   #19
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one option :raise ceiling to level, build temporary wall under ceiling joists. take out old beam -replace old beam with lvl beam. this saves the ceiling joists. would require opening of the walls (drywall) at both end points of lvl beam.

another option: take down ceiling drywall, add in new ceiling joists - demo old ceiling joists.
What do you mean by raise ceiling to level? And what is a lvl beam?
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Old 07-10-2012, 08:58 PM   #20
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I see the angle brackets you're talking about, but can't see how they are attached to the post/beam. I'm not sure what purpose it even serves, most definitely not typical. Maybe some of the older gents on here can give ya a clue. And even though the 4x10 is overkill I would just put the same thing back up to minimize any extra work. Just build yourself a temp wall on the lapped side of your ceiling joists. That beam should come out easy, putting the new one up might be a bit trickier. You will have to pull the post out of one side of the structure,then push the one side of the beam on top of the existing post on the other side, and then walk the other side of the beam up the ladder and have a helper shove the post back under..
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Old 07-10-2012, 09:10 PM   #21
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The angle brackets are nailed into the 4x4, and then the beam rests on the bracket, the bottom board covers the bracket. The beam butts up to the 4x4 and does not rest on it, so the metal bracket is the only thing the beam rests on as far as I can see. Is this normal? I have a feeling it might not be...

Can I use a simpson type bracket to hang the new beam?

Thanks for all your help so far, I really appreciate it!
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Old 07-10-2012, 09:15 PM   #22
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Typically a beam that is in a wall sits on a post and then a 2x4 goes up each side of the post to the top plate of the wall and the beam gets nailed in through them to lock it in place.
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I ran back out just to make sure. The beam is not resting on the 4x4, there is actually a gap between the beam and the 4x4, so those brackets are the only thing holding it up.

Does that complicate the replacement?
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Doesn't really complicate things. I can't see in the photos but from what you say that bracket is just nailed into the 4x4 post, I can't tell you why it was done that way, but I am telling you that they aren't necessary.
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It's not really clear in the photos, so I tried to make an illustration of what it looks like. It doesn't really matter why it was done like this, although the more I look at it, it almost seems like that beam was an afterthought, maybe once they realized the 2x6 joists weren't long enough for the full span

Anyway, I guess what I'm wondering is how I would attach the new beam when the setup is like this.
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What do you mean by raise ceiling to level? And what is a lvl beam?
raising the ceiling with a jack to make it level, you could jack the beam in the middle to raise the ceiling and put a temp wall against ceiling along the room perpendicular to and under all joists. With the ceiling supported and level demo the beam.
lvl is similar to 2x lumber but is stronger in comparison to standard lumber.

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It's not really clear in the photos, so I tried to make an illustration of what it looks like. It doesn't really matter why it was done like this, although the more I look at it, it almost seems like that beam was an afterthought, maybe once they realized the 2x6 joists weren't long enough for the full span

Anyway, I guess what I'm wondering is how I would attach the new beam when the setup is like this.
Brackets get discarded, the new beam needs to sit entirely upon the framing members in the wall.
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Ok. So your 4x4 post goes solid from the top plate to bottom plate. And then that bracket gets nailed to the 4x4 post and the 4x10 sits on the saddle on the bracket. I understand your wondering how to attach it. I'm wondering how did they attach it before? Is there nails that go up into the 4x10 through the saddle?
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CooperClad: Yes, 4x4 runs from bottom plate to top plate. The bracket is nailed to the 4x4, and I assume there are some nails driven up through the bracket into the beam. That bottom wrap board was still in place last time I looked at it, so I only got a clear view of the bracket from the side. The beam is resting on nothing else but this bracket.

So to do this properly I would have to remove and cut down the 4x4 in order to create proper support?

hand drive: Maybe it's getting late, but raise the ceiling to make it level with what? I get the part about supporting the ceiling while replacing the beam, but I'm still not sure why I would raise the ceiling? Sorry if I'm not getting this...
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I would just reuse the brackets. It will make your life a whole lot easier using the brackets rather then trying to cut a beam 6 inches larger then your inside dimensions to set it on posts (which is the right way).. But, that bracket has lasted this long holding up that beam, putting up the same exact size beam isn't going to change anything.

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