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Old 07-07-2012, 03:09 PM   #1
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I am going to paint my front door and the frame but before I do so, I need to repair some soft wood. I then noticed that the threshold has a gap between it and the toeboard ( is that the right word? ). As you can see from the pics, the door frame was never painted. It appears to only have the factory prime on it

This picture shows the gap. Is this normal or should I fill that in?


The soft/rotted wood isn't too bad. I started to tear off what I could with a screwdriver.


I will be using this to harden the wood


Then fill in the missing wood with this


Here is the whole thing I'm working with



Has anyone used those products before?

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You have far more mess there then you know.
That piece was suppost to be cut to fit and be tight to the aluminum threshold so it could not move and twist when steped on.
Someone installed to thick a piece of wood under there so it's sticking out past the threshold.
What's been happening is water has been getting in behind that piece.
If this is not a slab house your going to find some wood rot under the door.
All your jambs are also rotted most likly caused from lack of painting, and I can see mold growing on the side of the door.
A door installed that poorly I'd bet also has no flashing or sill jamb under it.

Just remove that piece under the threshold and take a look to see what I'm saying. If there is rot the whole door needs to come out to fix it right.
There should have been a piece of 3/4 vinyl lumber under the threshold so it would never rot and never need painting.
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Old 07-07-2012, 03:45 PM   #3
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Agreed. You need to address that whole threshold issue before anything else. It does not look right. If that facia is decorative I guess you can just replace it but that metal flashing should be stretching over the top of it.

As for the bottom of the door trim itself. I have never used the Minwax system but guess it will be fine. I have used the wood restoration products from Abatron for ages. Pricey though. Same concept.
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Thanks guys. I'm going to take apart what i can and see how much more damage is there.
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Alright. The verdict is in; you were dead on. The OSB behind the toeboard ( is that the right term? ) is nearly all rotted out.







And is it safe to say the wrong nails were used? Should they be this rusted? Shouldn't galvanized have been used?


Is this an easy DIY repair at this point? Is it as simple as cutting a new piece of OSB, putting it in place, then cutting a new toeboard that fits properly?
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Here are some more pics taken in the daylight



This one scares me a bit. Does that dirt indicate termites have been there? I didn't see any at the surface.


This picture shows how that board doesn't come up as far as the rest. That's not due to decay; it's because that board wasn't cut properly.


The cloth that I'm holding back in some of the pics; is that the 'flashing'? What is that called? What is the OSB board? Is that the sill?
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You really should pull the door so you can install a door pan flashing detail to keep this from happening again.

Once the door is out, what needs to be repaired will be obvious.
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gotta love how the landing is just poured up against everything

that ''cloth'' is the weather resistant barrier which is not[as you can see]flashing
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You really should pull the door so you can install a door pan flashing detail to keep this from happening again.

Once the door is out, what needs to be repaired will be obvious.
Agreed. You are not going to see all of what is going on from the view you have. You might as well do this right or it will come back to bite you later when you are least able to deal with it.
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gotta love how the landing is just poured up against everything
Come on! Think of the time and money saved not having to form for the pour on the house side!
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Thanks everyone. I guess I'll have to find someone to help me get that door assembly off and back on. The sidelights are definitely part of the whole thing and that just makes this repair look awfully difficult

Here are some more photos for those interested:

The OSB was bigger than I thought .... and more rotten


This piece was behind the OSB and extends past the left and right sides and is covered behind the siding. It's rotten too. What is this piece called? Is this the sill?
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The door and the sidelights should come out as one unit.

Google “door pan flashing” and look at the images to get an idea of how the sill is suppose to look after you replace any rot and before the door goes back in.

The damage itself doesn’t look all that bad to me but the way they poured the concrete up against the house is wrong and will likely be the source of future problems if left as is.

There should be at least 6” of foundation showing between the top of grade and first coarse of siding all around the house.

“Do not” cut off the paper sticking up out of the concrete and make sure the new door flashing laps over the top of it.
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as you can see the ''paper'' is not being effective at protecting the wood sheathing in this situation


i would remove as much siding from the area to r&r the door and to effectively be able to work at fixing any rot then i would slide ice and water between the house and the concrete,making sure it extends down past the sheathing

after that i would flash the top of the slab and restart the siding there

also i would probably recommend a new front entry way

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...the way they poured the concrete up against the house is wrong...
That's a recurring theme with this house unfortunately
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as you can see the ''paper'' is not being effective at protecting the wood sheathing in this situation


i would remove as much siding from the area to r&r the door and to effectively be able to work at fixing any rot then i would slide ice and water between the house and the concrete,making sure it extends down past the sheathing

after that i would flash the top of the slab and restart the siding there

also i would probably recommend a new front entry way
Not sure what you mean by using ice and water?

I'm on a slope and it makes the siding somewhat difficult to redo. I'll post a picture of the whole front of the house shortly.

Do you recommend a new entry way because of structural reasons? I've been wanting to replace the door itself but up until the other day I didn't realize the windows on the side were called sidelights much less know it was one unit lol

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