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Old 02-14-2013, 05:40 PM   #16
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There's thousand of article and videos, probably hundreds of thousands?

Start here and find Kerdi info. http://picasaweb.google.com/10143435...jcjdwWFqROy20A



Also go to www.schluter.com and snoop around.

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okay.. this is completely different and yes all my research and planning is based on the traditional systems. This looks pricey btw! I'll call some local dealers. If the price is too much, I may stick to my traditional system :/

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There's thousand of article and videos, probably hundreds of thousands?

Start here and find Kerdi info. http://picasaweb.google.com/10143435...jcjdwWFqROy20A



Also go to www.schluter.com and snoop around.

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This looks pricey btw! I'll call some local dealers. If the price is too much, I may stick to my traditional system :/
Yes and no. If you're doing all the work yourself, A Kerdi waterproof shower will probably cost $250 - $350 more than a traditional shower. But, unlike a traditional shower, it will be waterproof, and will look better cuz the substrate deck mud will not get wet. Much less maintenance, no mold, mildew, cracked corners, it's a vapor barrier etc.

If you were to hire someone, one would have to pay the tile setter maybe $600-800 more depending on size. BUT, you wouldn't need a plumber to do the pan and so you could deduct that amount. Mike Holmes says a Kerdi shower is worth about $1,200 more than a traditional. Hard for us to get that much more, but he's in Toronto mainly where the economy never skipped a beat.

However, a traditional shower will work too but there's a few things a DIY'er is likely to skip which will kill the job. Like; most people build the lower part and especially the curb wrong. They make holes in the pan to install the board as an example, and other details. Either way we can guide you.

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JazMan,
Went to a local Schluter dealer. It looks good. I'm considering it. Can you help me find a re-seller where I can get a discount? I need a detail breakdown of all the cost involved for this shower system installation.

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I've got an idea. How about you click "User CP" in the header of the main page and then "Edit Your Details", then enter your location. This should help if someone has a suggestion on where to buy stuff.

If you're having trouble, I have all the Kerdi and Ditra stuff you need and can send to you. Make a list of what you need. Or I can help you do that. Send an IM for details on how to figure amounts etc.

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can I just buy the base system and incorporate that with a traditional wall?
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The system is the Kerdi Drain and the Kerdi Membrane. You can use the tray so you don't have to place the deck mud. There's no point in just using the tray alone.

The secret is the drain, that's the unique part of the system.

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Sorry to hijack this thread, I'm still low on my post count so it won't let me PM Jaz directly.

Hey Jaz,

I am thinking about starting my shower remodel soon as well. My current setup is a walk-in shower, however it is made of fiberglass and I was hoping to demo all this out and start from the studs. I measured the area above the fiberglass and my shower is a bit larger than other "typical" showers at about 41.5x72. (8 foot ceilings) I am interested in the Kerdi, but was hoping for your take on the bigger size of the shower and how it applies to sloping the floor etc.. I saw they sell a 72x72 kerdi kit but holy cow its around $800! I am a DIY'er for sure, but completely new to shower remodels. Any info you have would be helpful. Or if you have a more cost efficient way for me to get ahold of the kerdi system let me know. Thanks again for the help, take care.

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The system is the Kerdi Drain and the Kerdi Membrane. You can use the tray so you don't have to place the deck mud. There's no point in just using the tray alone.

The secret is the drain, that's the unique part of the system.

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I meant the whole base system including the drain. if I buy the floor does it not include the drain?
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I meant the whole base system including the drain. if I buy the floor does it not include the drain?
The Kits I've seen include the pan, drain, and waterproofing membrane.
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I've seen some on ebay for around $450.
One question on the traditional system.
I have a regular drain kit and when I dry fit it in the drain pipe, it's about 1" high from the existing concrete floor. which means, my subfloor would need to be 1" around the drain and higher around the walls. is there any standard height for the drain bottom piece in relation to the floor?
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I've seen some on ebay for around $450.
One question on the traditional system.
I have a regular drain kit and when I dry fit it in the drain pipe, it's about 1" high from the existing concrete floor. which means, my subfloor would need to be 1" around the drain and higher around the walls. is there any standard height for the drain bottom piece in relation to the floor?
I dont know what size you are looking for but Floor and Decor has the 32x60 center drain one for 400. You can order it online if you dont have a store locally.

Are you taking into account the thickness of the tile? I'll wait til other tile guys get here to answer. I just left my drain pipe about 5" above the level of my concrete. Ill cut it off to the proper height once i measure everything out.
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I dont know what size you are looking for but Floor and Decor has the 32x60 center drain one for 400. You can order it online if you dont have a store locally.

Are you taking into account the thickness of the tile? I'll wait til other tile guys get here to answer. I just left my drain pipe about 5" above the level of my concrete. Ill cut it off to the proper height once i measure everything out.
32"x60" is what I'm looking for. That's a good price but I don't have a local store. I'll call them for details. Hope it includes everything.

So if I go the KERDI route, do I use cement backer board or regular drywall? I plan to add a corner seat.
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All the components are available separately, to fit all situations and skill levels. You need to decide if you can use one of the trays, (most people can) or if you have to do deck mud because of an odd size or shape.

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So if I go the KERDI route, do I use cement backer board or regular drywall? I plan to add a corner seat.
Schluter recommends regular wallboard for best results. But you can use greenboard or concrete backer. Lots of us don't like Hardie, but I haven't had an issue with it. The reason many don't like Hardie is that it's very thirsty and so it sucks the moisture out of the thinset fast.

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32"x60" is what I'm looking for. That's a good price but I don't have a local store. I'll call them for details. Hope it includes everything.

So if I go the KERDI route, do I use cement backer board or regular drywall? I plan to add a corner seat.
I'm going to do the sand mix bed, the Shluter drain, kerdi membrane. I'm going to do cement backer board on one wall and drywall on the others. Unless there is a small difference in price. I'd just as soon go with backer board for its rigidity.

I like the sand mix bed because I can slope it no matter where my drain ends up vs having to have the 2" pvc drain exactly in the center. Plus I'm dealing with a sloped concrete pad already and rather than making in level then sloping it I can just correct the slope with the sand mix.

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