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Old 08-07-2012, 05:23 PM   #46
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Ever seen a commercial steel stud building being built with deck screws? Nope!
No, I have not and that is why in my first post I said, "However, maybe the screws for steel stud are rated for additional shear strength."

I'm not trying to start a pissing match here, just throwing out a different view.

I personally, would never frame a house with screws as most screws don't have the shear strength of nails, and the screws that do would be cost-prohibitive not to mention take 2-3 times as long to frame with.

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ok, newbie question here, when you are talking shear strength your are talking about the ability to snap the screw/nail in half by moving one board one way and the other board the other way?
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ok, newbie question here, when you are talking shear strength your are talking about the ability to snap the screw/nail in half by moving one board one way and the other board the other way?

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ok, newbie question here, when you are talking shear strength your are talking about the ability to snap the screw/nail in half by moving one board one way and the other board the other way?
Negative.....

To quote Wikipedia....
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Shear strength in engineering is a term used to describe the strength of a material or component against the type of yield or structural failure where the material or component fails in shear. A shear load is a force that tends to produce a sliding failure on a material along a plane that is parallel to the direction of the force. When a paper is cut with scissors, the paper fails in shear.
Your example is a fatigue failure....

I'm bitting my tounge on so many of the above posts because the explanations given are so wrong. Where is Dan when you need him?

In reality....it's all about cost....I would suspect that screws cost about 4x that of nails and take about 5x longer to install....on a framing project....that can add up to a significant cost increase....

There are a 'few' examples of where nails are prefered....A good reference is the Simpson web site.

As with just about anything mechanical, you have to look at the total system and how it's being used.

I'm going to stop here....I know of one member who is going to unload.....(must be a slow month for him)

Daniel....we need your input sir....
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You know what, in the end do whatever the hell pleases you, follow the moron on tv rather than people who've got real world experience, those who aren't swayed to products and brands based upon how much they give us for free or advertising purchased for our show. I'll do mine and sleep well at night that all of the customers projects I've built and done well beyond code with manufactures compliance, you can do yours and wonder if the tv host might have given wrong information.
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If mh really believed all the bs he spews about screws he'd use ballistic screws for framing, I think he's scared of nail guns cause he doesn't really know what he's doing.
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follow the moron on tv
What?

Your statement is beyond ludicrous. To claim he doesn't know what he's doing is just a libelous statement.

Then to use terms like "BS", moron" and "spews", just shows that you hate the man and his show and you are merely making emotional libelous statements that are not based in reality or fact.

BTW - I will make sure that I never use your company or recommend your company because of your hateful attitude and name calling.

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Bottom line Diyer's. Nails have been used to build houses forever. THEY WORK.....have always worked.....will always work. You DO NOT need screws to frame a house. It has NOTHING to do with cost and time.

Houses are still standing using nails. There no explanation needed. Screws mean nothing framing a house.
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Ever knock a stud out of a wall with a sledge? Which fails first, nails, screws, or the wood?
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Ever knock a stud out of a wall with a sledge? Which fails first, nails, screws, or the wood?
Doesn't matter ......all you need is nails to frame a house.

You Diyer's can screw all you want and follow Mikey boy thinking its stronger or better. Just use common sense and ask yourself why every house is framed with nails now and way....way.....back when.
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BTW - I will make sure that I never use your company or recommend your company because of your hateful attitude and name calling.
You know nothing about me or my company, but you're welcome to explore my website to learn more about me. I live in America and I am allowed to voice my opinion based on my freedom of speech, recently the CEO of Chick-Fil-A voiced his personal opinions, the liberals had a hey day and the positive response was overwhelming and they had a record setting day of sales.

I really don't care much about mh except when he does things blatantly against code and recommends these things to homeowners who don't know better. I really don't care who it is, it does not have to be mh, it can be a local hack doing things blatantly against code and i'm going to hold the same opinion.
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Doesn't matter ......all you need is nails to frame a house.

You Diyer's can screw all you want and follow Mikey boy thinking its stronger or better. Just use common sense and ask yourself why every house is framed with nails now and way....way.....back when.
OK, I asked myself your question and I'd have to say they go way back using nails because cordless inpacts/drills weren't around way back. And today, pheumatic nailers make framing much quicker with nails than screws will ever be so that is largely why most contractors use them.

Thanks for slamming my response about MH's having been at our local Home show and explaining why he uses screws. I never said I believe him. I still use nails for framing. I just posted what his response was. But you seem to have a sore spot when it comes to MH's. What I take from the show is more about what to watch for, how to find good contractors by references and seeing their work at other sites, making sure the contractor gets permits and yes, he does have some very good points on his show. But just like you, he has his own opinions.
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OK, I asked myself your question and I'd have to say they go way back using nails because cordless inpacts/drills weren't around way back. And today, pheumatic nailers make framing much quicker with nails than screws will ever be so that is largely why most contractors use them.

Thanks for slamming my response about MH's having been at our local Home show and explaining why he uses screws. I never said I believe him. I still use nails for framing. I just posted what his response was. But you seem to have a sore spot when it comes to MH's. What I take from the show is more about what to watch for, how to find good contractors by references and seeing their work at other sites, making sure the contractor gets permits and yes, he does have some very good points on his show. But just like you, he has his own opinions.
This is about Mike using screws for framing and claiming its better and stronger according to you and everyone else here. It's simply not true!
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Just an observation.........

If a poster is posting during the day....as in a typical working day....chances are he is not working......

So....if a framing guy is spending time during the normal work week posting here....it means he most likely does not have a lot of work....

Now, if he does not have a lot of work, then it it 'most likely' for one of two reasons.....
1. Business is really slow in his area.
2. Not the best framing guy in the world....so the other framing guys are getting the business.

Now, me....I'm an engineer....I spend most of my time driving a computer at a desk....so the odd internet excursion during the day is easy.....(of which lately I have been doing too much)

But the trades? One must wonder....

Lots of internet time? Less work time? Maybe there is a direct relationship?
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Just an observation.........

If a poster is posting during the day....as in a typical working day....chances are he is not working......

So....if a framing guy is spending time during the normal work week posting here....it means he most likely does not have a lot of work....

Now, if he does not have a lot of work, then it it 'most likely' for one of two reasons.....
1. Business is really slow in his area.
2. Not the best framing guy in the world....so the other framing guys are getting the business.

Now, me....I'm an engineer....I spend most of my time driving a computer at a desk....so the odd internet excursion during the day is easy.....(of which lately I have been doing too much)

But the trades? One must wonder....

Lots of internet time? Less work time? Maybe there is a direct relationship?
I know for me personally you are incorrect sir, I spend a couple days a week doing designs and bids in the office so I'm right in front of the computer while my employees do the work, just because someone has a trade based construction company, does not mean THEY have to be the ones completing the work. Some of us don't want the business to own us, we'd rather own the business.
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