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Old 08-07-2012, 12:37 AM   #31
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They literally used screws for EVERY connection point? Joists to plate? Joist hangers? Sheathing to joists? Studs to plate? Plate to floor? Sheathing to wall? Trusses to plates? Sheathing to trusses? Drywall (duh, that's typical, at least here)? Trim to wall (I doubt this, but it's not really relevant)? I wonder how long that added to the build time?

Screws are ok for many uses, I'm not saying that they're not, but they are not BETTER than nails nor are nails BETTER than screws, they each have their uses, they each have their strengths and weaknesses.

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I totally agree.....

But would that not also be a good reason to be using some Simpson hardware?
Simpson hardware is correct BUT you need to follow the manufacture guidelines for installation and they spec nails or specialized screws (not the ones mh used).
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Mike was a guest speaker at our local home show a couple yrs back and I asked him this specific question. His reply was that he isn't using deck screws but higher tensile strength screws that have higher shear levels. He agrees deck screws would never last. He also said that the show doesn't always show us how much construction adhesive he actually uses. But using higher strength screws will hold better than nails and have the same shear strength. He knows the cost is more than nails but like always, he overbuilds the things he does.
Mike isn't reinventing the wheel here. If screws would hold better and he thinks he's over building....then how come every single house and additions are built (except for the ones Mike and other homeowners build)with nails and are still standing.

Mike and his screws for framing being stronger and over building is all BS....case closed!
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If mh really believed all the bs he spews about screws he'd use ballistic screws for framing, I think he's scared of nail guns cause he doesn't really know what he's doing.
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If mh really believed all the bs he spews about screws he'd use ballistic screws for framing, I think he's scared of nail guns cause he doesn't really know what he's doing.
I've never seen the show before. I've heard and read all the BS about him screwing framing. That's all it is.. is BS. Diy'ers believe it....that's all ....the rest of he real world doesn't.
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I think he's scared of nail guns
Anyone catch that episode where he was on the Ellen show? They basically tore down and rebuilt an entire house in California. The best line from that episode: "We usually use screws, but down here they want NAILS!!!"
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not saying I'm in favor of screws over nails, but I just got this link from a vendor's email ...... interesting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvMVp...ature=youtu.be
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Anyone catch that episode where he was on the Ellen show? They basically tore down and rebuilt an entire house in California. The best line from that episode: "We usually use screws, but down here they want NAILS!!!"
Like it said before.....Mike thinks he's reinventing the wheel. Framing is not screwed....only by Mike and DIY'ers.
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not saying I'm in favor of screws over nails, but I just got this link from a vendor's email ...... interesting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvMVp...ature=youtu.be
Incredible! (Is 'Assy SK' an adhesive?)
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And that video had nothing to do with shear, it's fine if he wants to use screws in stuff, it's kind of a waste of time for a lot of things (framing). But when he uses them in shear applications is when he is in the wrong. BTW the screws in the video are NOT the screws the mh uses.
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Incredible! (Is 'Assy SK' an adhesive?)
don't know tony .... I got an email from a vendor touting the value of their product and only clicked on the link showing them joining a split notch back together. I will take some time to check it out. don't know how the vendor got my email, but that's ok, happens all the time
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I've haven't seen any commercial steel stud buildings being framed with nails. Same forces of shear on those buildings. However, maybe the screws for steel stud are rated for additional shear strength.
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I've haven't seen any commercial steel stud buildings being framed with nails. Same forces of shear on those buildings. However, maybe the screws for steel stud are rated for additional shear strength.
We are talking about wood not steel...can't compare the two...
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We are talking about wood not steel...can't compare the two...
When speaking of shear strength they usually are referring to the fastener so the material they are going into shouldn't have much of an effect.
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When speaking of shear strength they usually are referring to the fastener so the material they are going into shouldn't have much of an effect.
Ever seen a commercial steel stud building being built with deck screws? Nope!

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