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Old 08-06-2012, 04:17 PM   #16
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No way is it code requirement anywhere for using screws when framing. Onlly screwing we do is on the decking and that's not code.
And you're an expert on worldwide building codes??

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And you're an expert on worldwide building codes??
Doesn't need to be... deck screws don't have shear. I've seen mh use deck screws in simpson hardware in DIRECT violation of code and MANUFACTURE specs.
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I use them if I need to be quiet, or not make a lot of vibration. Holmes probably has stock in a screw company. (I did work for a builder that used screws. He drove them with his hammer though. Maybe because he didn't have a nail gun.)
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Mike was a guest speaker at our local home show a couple yrs back and I asked him this specific question. His reply was that he isn't using deck screws but higher tensile strength screws that have higher shear levels. He agrees deck screws would never last. He also said that the show doesn't always show us how much construction adhesive he actually uses. But using higher strength screws will hold better than nails and have the same shear strength. He knows the cost is more than nails but like always, he overbuilds the things he does.
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I am in Canada, It's not code.
I'm guessing advertising is the reason why. You get to show the drill.

We screw - deck boards, subfloor with adhesive, underlay with adhesive, when installing doors, a few other things.

Usually not for general framing.
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I notice that in just about every episode when Mike's crew does a reconstruction they use screws instead of say a nail gun.

Does anyone have any ideas why, is it code in Canada?
mike says in several shows, that they hold tighter and wont try to come out in time and plus if their is a wind storm they will hold tighter than a nail would.
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I suspect it is a code requirement there. Why else would he use exclusively use something so more expensive than nails??
Mike has explained many times that you are allowed to do things better than minimum code. Code is not normally the best way to build. Code simply defines that anything less is so bad that it is illegal. I never noticed that screws is all he uses, but I would tend to agree that they will hold better than nails
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I wonder if mh screws shingles on?
Bwahahaha. I have seen him nail them on. Well not him, but the people working for him whom he takes credit for.

I love all of the Holmes shows and have one of his books so I was very curious where this thread was going to go.
I will say, I don't take his word as the end all be all and recognize a show edits out a ton of important info. I don't necessarily follow what he says brand wise (I prefer research specific to my area and situation) but I do love his whole "do it right the 1st time philosophy.

Although he would hate this forum. His book has very little how to do it yourself information. It is all how to choose a contractor and picking materials. :D
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I wish I could find it again, but I recently read an article that said the companies that write the code books use a safety factor, (roughly), about 4 times the minimum really needed. Seeing many old New England houses built with smaller and longer material, that have stood for hundreds of years, I may agree somewhat. I have never seen wind, even hurricanes blow the studs off the shoe, only laying flat still attached. Maybe it's the rafters that should be screwed on. Ask Mike.
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If we look at traditional framing.....I'm hard pressed to see where shear strength of the fastner (screw or nail) is a major concern. I would estimate that 90% of the fastning is intended to stick one item to another.....i.e., we nail roof sheathing down against the rafters (little to no shear here)....we nail jack studs to king studs (no shear there).....we nail top plates to studs...(very little shear there....

In fact....if I have a stud that is in the wrong place...it's not very hard to bang it out....the nails just bend and pull out....but to do the same thing with screws? It's going to be carnaige on that stud.

Based on my experience with wood working (as in cabinets and furnature), yea, screws are much better than nails. Nails are just a lot cheaper and quicker.
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But when building a deck or framing a floor system with hangers shear does come in to play...
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I like Holmes, but if you listen carefully not everything he says is 100% accurate.
Also i must say im not impressed withhis gutter installers.
As a pro in the field for over 18 yrs, some of what they claim is BS.
However, i suppose most of what they say is for the show.

His motto is #1 tho. "Do it right the first time". Cant disagree with that
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But when building a deck or framing a floor system with hangers shear does come in to play...
I totally agree.....

But would that not also be a good reason to be using some Simpson hardware?
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I've been in 2 identical homes, both built at the same time, one used screws for framing members and the other used nails. After 4 years of wind loads, settlement, diurnal swings, humidity, etc., the home with nails had numerous nail pops, some minor drywall cracks, creaking/squeaking and popping in floors. The home that used screws has none of these issues.

In high winds the nail home racks and you can actually hear the framing members pop. The screw home does not have these issues except in really high winds, you will hear the trusses pop.

The point is that screws are way better when it comes to attachments as they are less prone to pull out over time. I've seen nails pull out over 2" in a few years.

My friend is in the attachment industry (mostly auto related but also commercial buildings). Threaded attachments are way better than any non-threaded/nail attachment. You would be surprised on how much a nail will move.

With screws you will have less call backs and chances that something will pull out or move. Screws make it that much stronger. It's pretty easy to pull out a nail with the hammers claw but next to impossible to remove a screw with a claw.


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