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Old 02-06-2012, 04:48 PM   #31
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Hi Grandma,

I built two log cabins; the last one was a 12'x16' in the Alaskan interior back in 1969.

But, I don't know as I can be of much help. The best I remember I got the logs up by sheer brute strength ( I was much younger then ).

If I were doing it again at my age out in the boonies, I would probably parbuckle them using a hand winch, come-a-long, or rope/pulley set.

Parbuckling was used for many, many years to load huge logs onto trucks.

I'll try to briefly describe how to do that.

You would use two long poles (somewhat longer than the highest height you need to go with the logs) and attach them near each end of the top log of whichever wall your working on. (just flatten the ends a little and nail onto the top log)

Then you take a rope and fasten each end to the top log (one end near one pole and the other end near the other pole. Make sure the rope is long enough that the middle will stretch out past where the other end of the poles rests on the ground.

Then take another rope and attach one end to the middle of the first rope.
The second rope should be long enough so that the other end will go across the entire top of the cabin.

Then roll the log you want to lift into place over the rope all the way to where the poles rest on the ground.

Throw the loose end of the second rope across the cabin and attach it to a hand winch.
Attach the hand winch to a tree, (via another rope if necessary, or if no trees, to something driven firmly into the ground).

As you crank the winch, the rope just smoothly rolls the log up the poles.

If the cable on the winch isn't long enough (or if you're using a come-a-long, you will have to wedge the log however high you get it on the poles til you can take another 'bite'.

Of course, if you have a vehicle, an ATV, or even a dog team, you could use that instead of a winch or come-a-long, and it would go much faster.

This is probably clear as mud, but it will work without straining yourself.

Best of luck,
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Hello Arky,
I have a question for you about choosing my foundation.
Now I'm gonna be north of the Steese, bordering the White Mountains wilderness. Now, should I go with dug, poured concrete piers, or the 12"x12" concrete pre-formed piers with the brackets already on them, you buy at home depot?

I figure since I'm up on the side of the mountains, southern exposure, the frost line will be a little shallower than down by the Chatanika River. But just 'cause I figure that don't make it so.

I have enough logs to build a 32' x 28' cabin. That what I got.
But, I don't want to do that. I want a smaller one. I'm thinking I want more like 16' x 20'. Plenty big for me, plus easier to heat. I like basic and simple and practical.

And I want to build a small guest cabin like a 12 x 16.

So back to the foundation. What do you suggest?

Appreciate it!
Grammy

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Old 02-06-2012, 05:11 PM   #32
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Hello Arky,
I have a question for you about choosing my foundation.
Now I'm gonna be north of the Steese, bordering the White Mountains wilderness. Now, should I go with dug, poured concrete piers, or the 12"x12" concrete pre-formed piers with the brackets already on them, you buy at home depot?

I figure since I'm up on the side of the mountains, southern exposure, the frost line will be a little shallower than down by the Chatanika River. But just 'cause I figure that don't make it so.

I have enough logs to build a 32' x 28' cabin. That what I got.
But, I don't want to do that. I want a smaller one. I'm thinking I want more like 16' x 20'. Plenty big for me, plus easier to heat. I like basic and simple and practical.

And I want to build a small guest cabin like a 12 x 16.

So back to the foundation. What do you suggest?

Appreciate it!
Grammy

Well, Grammy,

I built my cabin on Gardner Creek. There was many, many feet deep of permafrost. Melted out soupy a few inches in the summer.

I was far quite far from 'civilization', much less any hardware stores, so I used large flat rocks laid on the ground, then smaller flat rocks on top of those, and then the sill logs rested on the smaller rocks.

Here's a picture I still have of it.

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Old 02-06-2012, 07:28 PM   #33
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OH nice picture! Thank you for posting that. That is a really nice cabin. You did a good job.

I thought about just leveling off my spot and using rocks like you did. I was just wondering if because of the spring thaw, if the piers would be better than blocks.

I just don't intend to build it so I have to climb 6 feet off the ground to get in the cabin.

Oh. I'm way off the road. No access at all. I WISH I was really in the bush, but it's not to be. But still, I'm remote enough.

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This site advertises "Hand Material Hoists" or "Lifts". Google either for a lot more.

http://www.lkgoodwin.com/more_info/6...ial_lift.shtml

And here is a picture of an attachment they sell.

This stuff ain't cheap, but if you can swing it....
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I assume you already know how to wrap a rope around the ends (both ends) of a log, about a dozen wraps, and very easily pull a log up an incline. Hardly any work at all.
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I assume you already know how to wrap a rope around the ends (both ends) of a log, about a dozen wraps, and very easily pull a log up an incline. Hardly any work at all.
Shoot yeah I can tie a rope! My Uncle, who was WW2 Navy Vet,
taught me how to even tie a monkey fist!

I've pretty much resigned myself to using block and tackle and come-a-long.
And I know I can do that.

Right now I'm trying to decide on my foundation. Piers or blocks or rocks.
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Old 02-06-2012, 09:10 PM   #37
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This site advertises "Hand Material Hoists" or "Lifts". Google either for a lot more.

http://www.lkgoodwin.com/more_info/6...ial_lift.shtml

And here is a picture of an attachment they sell.

This stuff ain't cheap, but if you can swing it....
Wow that's a cool, handy looking tool!
Makes me want to build a shop now, with a concrete floor so it'll roll real good.

Don't tempt me. I'm trying to live simple.
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Shoot yeah I can tie a rope! My Uncle, who was WW2 Navy Vet,
taught me how to even tie a monkey fist!

I've pretty much resigned myself to using block and tackle and come-a-long.
And I know I can do that.

Right now I'm trying to decide on my foundation. Piers or blocks or rocks.
I wasn't suggesting tying a rope to the log. My thought was to wrap at least a dozen turns of rope around each end of the log to help in "rolling" the log up an incline. Yes, you could do the same thing by just looping ONE turn of rope around each end, but multiple turns lets you keep the log under much better control, all the way up the incline.

Where are you going to attach the block & tackle or come along at the top?

Foundation: Dig down the 48", or so, needed to get below the frost line, pour a 12" thick reinforced 2' x2' pad down there with rebar coming upward. Then set a sono tube on top (encompassing (encasing) the rebar), and then level the tops all level with one another, and cut them off. Now pour them solid with concrete.... setting "attachment" bolts or brackets in the top surfaces.

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