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Old 08-13-2008, 09:26 PM   #16
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I don't have anything against your message Joe. I actually completely agree with it. I took issue with your delivery. It is easy to get the same message across without taking a critical or harsh tone, and your audience is more likely to hear what you're saying if you aren't being harsh or critical.

You and I are on this site for the same reason. We can both help people and learn things along the way.

Do you have any suggestions for the OP in his current situation, other than to go back in time and pull a permit?

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You think!!

That's what he gets for doing things without permits. Now he wants advice how to fix it.

The only problem I see here is government interference again making someone's life more difficult.

It's his house and land, he should be able to do what he wants without the nazis storming in. That's the whole point of property rights. It's not like anyone else is forced to buy it from him and live there.

So many people here seem to act like not getting a permit or building to a code is the eighth deadly sin, instead of questioning the sanity of regulating people's private lives and use of private property "for their own good".
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The only problem I see here is government interference again making someone's life more difficult.

It's his house and land, he should be able to do what he wants without the nazis storming in. That's the whole point of property rights. It's not like anyone else is forced to buy it from him and live there.

So many people here seem to act like not getting a permit or building to a code is the eighth deadly sin, instead of questioning the sanity of regulating people's private lives and use of private property "for their own good".
He's trying to sell the property. Government "interference" in the form of a permit would have prevented this situation altogether if the previous owner had obtained one.

As a building inspector, I personally resent being referred to as a Nazi. That is incredibly unfair, and misrepresents what I do. What I do is help people make their homes better in a safe way. What I do is ensure that the contractors that people hire give them what they're paying for. I keep buildings from burning down, falling down, or being unsafe in a multitude of ways.

If your house were burning down because a previous owner's (or your own) sub-standard electrical wiring sparked a fire, would you reject the fire department's "government interference"? I think not.

Look at permits and inspections however you want. I don't care. But despite the occasional headaches it does much more good than harm.
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He's trying to sell the property. Government "interference" in the form of a permit would have prevented this situation altogether if the previous owner had obtained one.

As a building inspector, I personally resent being referred to as a Nazi. That is incredibly unfair, and misrepresents what I do. What I do is help people make their homes better in a safe way. What I do is ensure that the contractors that people hire give them what they're paying for. I keep buildings from burning down, falling down, or being unsafe in a multitude of ways.

If your house were burning down because a previous owner's (or your own) sub-standard electrical wiring sparked a fire, would you reject the fire department's "government interference"? I think not.

Look at permits and inspections however you want. I don't care. But despite the occasional headaches it does much more good than harm.
I respect your knowledge, experience, and desire to help others in a professional capacity, and would definitely consider hiring someone such as yourself to advise me in construction, or to inspect a property before I purchase it.

The problem arises, however, when government enters the picture, because government is force, and is backed by a gun. Government has no business meddling by force in the private affairs and dealings of individuals. That's the realm of contract, voluntary consent, and personal responsibility.

There's a difference between offering to help someone (and earning a profit in the process) and forcing someone to do something a certain way, or preventing them from doing what they want, using the force of government. There's nothing more tyrannical than an institution that employs force and truly believes it is doing it for the person's own good.
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Odigity, I respect your stance, but respectfully disagree due to the fact that I work for a City government (the Nazi's), and am not a pre-purchase independent inspector. Opinion aside, the fact is that municipalities and governments DO have the right (by law) to enforce adopted minimum building standards. Just the same way that the police enforce the speed limit...It sucks but it is the law!

Despite your opinion of government, I hope you understand that at the inspectors' level, our main goal and intent is to protect peoples' safety. Left unchecked, many people and professionals will build unsafely. Look around a city that has proactive and effective building inspections and planning department, then look around a city that does not. There's usually a very noticeable difference in appearance, property value, and fire/accident incendents.

By the way, we don't usually use guns to enforce building code.
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thekctermite, I was able to cut a hole to place a vent. Looks pretty good. I've uploaded pics and one drawing (don't laugh). Not sure if you know of FHA/conventional or general inspection requirements for crawls but can you tell me what you think? Upon looking up close I think this structure was built correctly. Of course what do I know and the only way to tell would be to investigate when it was built and if permits were pulled. My FHA appraiser was out today when the vents (two of them for about 140sqft) were in place. She said take the vents off because she needs to take pictures and she needs to see the floor of the crawl. She'll be back tomorrow. There are 2x6 joist and I know the insulation was tacked down on the joist but because the insulation is hanging, it has expanded to the point where it's touching the floor in places and you can't see the entire area. Is there a problem that it's nearly laying on the old laminate tile slab floor and that you can't see the ENTIRE floor area?
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Its certainly not ideal to have the insulation sagging down and touching the floor, but I can't tell you if the FHA inspector will care or not. FHA plays by a whole different set of rules and I'm not up to speed on what gets them wound up and what doesn't. If in contact with the floor...Assuming no vapor barrier is present...The insulation could potentially wick moisture and lead to mold.

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