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Old 05-08-2013, 10:05 PM   #16
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Now we see your leaving the hardwood in place and replacing the joist, you can screw the joist in place to hold them up and add the hanger while the screw is holding it.

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Common guys..... Bonebag has given each of us the ooportunity to say:

"We know a guy that installs his floor before he installs his floor joists"

Bones... I know that diagonal nailing on the now standard Simpson hanger, does add some structural streangth attributes.... how much I have no idea (remember the old hangers where you just face nailed both faces of the hanger bracket).... but a call to Simpson might be a good idea as you're going to be doing some jacking/leveling activity also.

By the way, what is a powder beattle... some kinda termite.... never heard of them.

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Ok...not quite installing the floor before the joists..just trying to save her.

The powder post beetle may not be found in your area..just as termites aren't really bad here but the beetle will turn your wood to powder and I mean powder. I learned alot about them in my last house which had them active. They are pretty easy to kill with today's over the counter products. They can stay active for well over a hundred years with the original beetle larvae being in the trees that were cut and milled way back in the day. I literally tore one of my real 2x8's in half with my bare hands easier than crushing a tin can. They were treated in this house back in the 50's and most of the bad joists sistered with good lumber but some got into a few studs and the subfloor so it had to go.


I've got the floor pretty level before hanging the joists. I will need to move them a bit to get them level and If it's just a bit I'll simply shim at the bottom of the hanger...if I need more than that I'll pull the face nails and move the hanger.

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So your going to put plywood up and hold it in place till you can get the joist under the ply your right it's backwards but doable. Your going to PL adhesive the plywood so it will stick to the hardwood.
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So your going to put plywood up and hold it in place till you can get the joist under the ply your right it's backwards but doable. Your going to PL adhesive the plywood so it will stick to the hardwood.
I'm putting the plywood on top of the joist (glued and screwed) to add a surface or flange if you will, to screw the subfloor, which is already there and 130 years old, to the new joist. Like so:

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Bones.... Great Pic's (and your drawing)

Pretty much as I figured.... just more extensive/challenging.

I admire the creativity of the approach.... and the extent of the remodel... no redo... no reconstruction !!

Is this your home.... it'll have a boat load of character.

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Bones.... Great Pic's (and your drawing)

Pretty much as I figured.... just more extensive/challenging.

I admire the creativity of the approach.... and the extent of the remodel... no redo... no reconstruction !!

Is this your home.... it'll have a boat load of character.

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yes...I've done a few half/partial cover up re-models and really wasn't happy with the results. Always things you should have done and things hiding in the walls and ceilings you wonder about. I couldn't live in a house with a bunch of construction going on again...so I figured it would be longer until we move in...but a lot faster to just gut the damn thing...fix it and not have to worry about knob and tube/plumbing/hvac...just do it In this house...the mottos for the plumbers were: if we don't cut the joists in half...the water won't work; the hvac guys: If we don't completely cut out the main 10" beams...the house will be cold.

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Good luck to you. Unfortunately, my original thoughts have been verified by the photos. There really is nothing there worth saving. Not trying to be crude, just honest. I just hate to see good hard working people throwing their heart and soul into something like this. Hopefully, the foundation is sound. It looked questionable in some of the photos.
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Good luck to you. Unfortunately, my original thoughts have been verified by the photos. There really is nothing there worth saving. Not trying to be crude, just honest. I just hate to see good hard working people throwing their heart and soul into something like this. Hopefully, the foundation is sound. It looked questionable in some of the photos.
Well...we cant all live in gated communities where the extent of DIY means putting in a two thousand dollar kitchen faucet over the course of a month

The foundation is almost three feet thick...I'm not sure how you can make that judgement from an Iphone photograph....and if you know anything about fieldstone foundations...mortar isn't holding up the house.

The midwest is full of old houses that need a bit of love. Houses that have stood for well over 100 years. This one would have stood for another 200 without intervention. Some of us out here in the real world can't get the permission or money to build new. It's hard enough with friends who are contractors that can help as it's almost impossible to be able to do this kind of work without many different licenses.

Just out here trying to build/repair something cool...I've really received waaay more negative, insulting comments on this site than I ever imagined I would.
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Well...we cant all live in gated communities where the extent of DIY means putting in a two thousand dollar kitchen faucet over the course of a month

The foundation is almost three feet thick...I'm not sure how you can make that judgement from an Iphone photograph....and if you know anything about fieldstone foundations...mortar isn't holding up the house.

The midwest is full of old houses that need a bit of love. Houses that have stood for well over 100 years. This one would have stood for another 200 without intervention. Some of us out here in the real world can't get the permission or money to build new. It's hard enough with friends who are contractors that can help as it's almost impossible to be able to do this kind of work without many different licenses.

Just out here trying to build/repair something cool...I've really received waaay more negative, insulting comments on this site than I ever imagined I would.
Actually, I was not trying to be negative. The first home I owned was built in the early 1900's and I did a lot of what you are going through now, but I actually had quite a bit more worth saving than you do, from the photos, Mine had all original chestnut trim in great condition.

As you go along you will learn the reasons for my opinion. You will be very lucky if the studs are properly spaced and aligned to take sheetrock, as this was done with plaster lath and the brown coat of plaster in most cases with this type of construction. The in ground plumbing is usually clay or orangeburg pipe and needs to be replaced. You often run into asbestos, and it goes on and on and on.

I dont think the guys on this site are trying to be negative, I just think they are trying to be realistic, because many of them have been down this road before, and it is a very bumpy, and expensive ride at the end of the day, and that is if you do all of the work yourself, which I did, except for the insulation.

I dont live in a gated community, but I do live in a ranch house built in 1993, and even it has plenty of work for a 66 year old guy with a hip replacement.

Again, good luck with your project, and I admire your enthusiasm. Hopefully, it will outlive the project.
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Bones... Honest I don't think jagans meant anything negative.... hell, he'll be the first to give someone on here advice... and good advice (which doesn't always happen on any internet site).

I think he was just discussing the issues with saving the property and recognizing the challenges facing you... which I think you know well.

Plus he (AND ME) probably forget with some age under our belts what we could/would do 20 years ago. Heck, I've been having to buy the 60 lb bags of concrete for the last ten years... and wishing they'd bag it at 50lbs.

GOOD GOING ... SAVE THAT PUP

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Bones... Honest I don't think jagans meant anything negative.... hell, he'll be the first to give someone on here advice... and good advice (which doesn't always happen on any internet site).

I think he was just discussing the issues with saving the property and recognizing the challenges facing you... which I think you know well.

Plus he (AND ME) probably forget with some age under our belts what we could/would do 20 years ago. Heck, I've been having to buy the 60 lb bags of concrete for the last ten years... and wishing they'd bag it at 50lbs.

GOOD GOING ... SAVE THAT PUP

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You know thanks...I appreciate it...some guys should throw that in along with the negatives. I guess since I already know most of the challenges I get frustrated in thinking they think I do not..and still think it can't be done. The house has a new roof and new windows..and a newer direct vent furnace, new water pipes from the curb and new waste pipes to the curb and a fairly new (all things considered) 100 amp service (no sane man needs more unless you run a farm or shop). Without those items I wouldn't have touched the house

It HAD asbestos around the ductwork...the studs are actually 16 on center when they are on center...but I'm furring them out to make 5.5 inch R21 walls so I'll make them work when I get to that. The electrical was done in most of the first floor with three wire...the rest was Knob and Tube and I really wouldn't have wanted to spend one night in her the way she was wired. I gutted her to the bone because of all the things you mention..

I just want a solid place for me and my family without a payment that restricts us from living a good life. In less than a year I should be into about 70K worth of equity for the price of a used car...and a ton of work..

It does pay to mention I have a virtually unlimited supply of oak and cherry lumber I have clients who are architects, structural engineers, concrete companies and construction gurus, house designers, electricians and so on..I'm not doing this alone and It would be hard to imagine someone doing so without some pretty serious connections. In that case..without those contacts I would have to build from scratch..much easier


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