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Old 09-24-2006, 10:22 AM   #1
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Tiling-I am preparing to tile the walls, showerstall and floor with ceramic tiles. Do I need to install a vapor barrier on the floor? Do I need to install vapor barrier on all walls. I plan to use Durarock under the tile. Ted Wilson

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When you say roughed in by builder, how is it going to be done and is there drainage stubbed out?

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From the tiling standpoint:

This is just the basics:

Make sure that you install a waterproofing membrane on the floor and up the walls. This is one peice with no cuts in it.

Install your Cement board (Dura-rock) over that on the walls and on the door step-up thresh-hold. Use laminated screws made just for installing cement board.

You will also need to install a pan at the floor base, and a mortar base over that.
Obviously, make sure that all your plumbing is set and in place before all of the above.

For more detailed information: Do an online search for:
"Tiling a shower stall".

You can also purchase an illustrated book on tiling at H.D.

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I read the drywalling book saying if you use greenboard or other similar drywall board in the bathroom... you do not put vapour barrier on top of the insulation to avoid whay they called "Double barrier" because the greenboard is itself have the barrier implanted...

is this a bit contradict to what AltanticWBConst talked above? or I understand the book incorrectly?
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Kui****g...yes, you are confusing the two. This has nothing to do with insulation or drywall procedure.
A waterproof rubber membrane is not the same as a vapor barrier.

It is used as standard installation on shower-stalls/areas that will be tiled....part of the tile installation process.

It is installed before adding mortar on the floor and it is rolled up about 12"-16" of the rough framed walls, before the cement board is installed.

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You are right... I am confused... I will need to visit HD and read more books to understand what is going on... Thanks...
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It is installed before adding mortar on the floor and it is rolled up about 12"-16" of the rough framed walls, before the cement board is installed.[/quote]


MMMMMMMMMM nope. a bed of mortar is laid before the membrane to give it its fall to the drain/weepholes.
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MMMMMMMMMM nope. a bed of mortar is laid before the membrane to give it its fall to the drain/weepholes.
Do more research online under: "Mortar Floor in tiled shower"... and you will see that...... it is done both ways....

We do alot of our own tile work, but for some jobs, we also use a 3rd generation tile guy (company) that warranties their work for the life of the home...and he does his mortar OVER the membrane. He is also considered one of the best tile people in my region.

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...and he does his mortar OVER the membrane. He is also considered one of the best tile people in my region.
I was just working in one today where the (very aged) tile man was soldering up a copper pan instead of rubber shower membrane. Kind of treat to watch here and there. The mud bed went right down on top. Sometimes I wish I could just follow an old timer, in any trade, around for a week and just watch stuff.
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Do more research online under: "Mortar Floor in tiled shower"... and you will see that...... it is done both ways....

We do alot of our own tile work, but for some jobs, we also use a 3rd generation tile guy (company) that warranties their work for the life of the home...and he does his mortar OVER the membrane. He is also considered one of the best tile people in my region.
dont need to do research thats the way ive done it for years and is the best way IMO
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dont need to do research thats the way ive done it for years and is the best way IMO
Thank you for your Humble Opinion....Humble Opinions are always welcome and nice to hear.

Anyhow.... Here's a lil Suggestion:

In the future: Please state it as your .... 'humble opinion'...not 'condescending'...

as you did .....as a 'self-proclaimed' expert...

I do not consider myself an expert in building or construction.....because there is SO MUCH involved, so much that changes and so much.....to know and to retain.

Tho I have a state issued unrestricted residential and commercial construction supervisor's license, I have learned that it is a constant ongoing education....In other words....I don't know everything....

... all I have is my experience and my 'opinions' (which may be flawed)

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This forum is about opinions and i gave mine the same as yours and am not getting into a p***ing match about it. I simply said and still believe your way or should i say the newer way is wrong. And i dont think i was being condecending as others have to some of my posts before. We all have our own ways of doing things, and this was the way i was taught.

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I was just working in one today where the (very aged) tile man was soldering up a copper pan instead of rubber shower membrane. Kind of treat to watch here and there. The mud bed went right down on top. Sometimes I wish I could just follow an old timer, in any trade, around for a week and just watch stuff.
Thats a real old way to do it Md i wish i could do it that way.
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I was just working in one today where the (very aged) tile man was soldering up a copper pan instead of rubber shower membrane. Kind of treat to watch here and there. The mud bed went right down on top. Sometimes I wish I could just follow an old timer, in any trade, around for a week and just watch stuff.
Copper or lead? Copper and fly ash in cement products don't mix well at all. Wonder what brand of mortor he's using.

I've made and still make lead pans. Its super fun to see the young plumbers and tile setters eyes pop out when you start unrolling sheet lead and forming up a pan. Most common question: "Why don't you use a PVC pan?" My answer, "I can't warrant that for life, but 20# lead will be here after you and I and this house is gone."

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