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Old 03-30-2011, 12:25 AM   #16
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My advice would be to give us a summary of your building experience to date.
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my advice to you is hire a skilled builder and have it done .ive been a builder 32 yrs plus and even builders dont finish there own houses very quick.the shoe makers kids need shoes the plumbers pipes leak all that stuff is true lol.

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Old 03-30-2011, 08:40 AM   #17
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I don't think there is anything in that last post that I can agree with.

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Agreed. The Ikea mention made me recall a picture I saw a few years ago..............



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Old 03-30-2011, 02:05 PM   #18
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my statements are merely established ideals created out of my own experiences and are therefore only opinions.

I live hours from the closest wal-mart (the only thing that exists in-between is a gas station that only accepts cash, and the pump is from 60 years ago), and I have to use ice and coolers to transport groceries. So it is difficult to find and hire independent contractors that will travel that far and do decent work. The only person that will, is 'bubba' who lives in the area, and because he drives a pickup he believes he is a plumber, or framer, or electrician....and theres nothing stopping him from doing work even if hes not licensed, because there are zero rules or codes out here, and if there were, no body cares..... except me.

Im sure my opinions would be different if I lived elsewhere.

My other statements are basically sarcastic remarks from someone losing their minds over people's work they have to correct.

I thought what I was posting would be entertaining and offset the mundane replies or smart arse remarks that were made that the op needs to just hire a professional just because he mentioned getting a book. That is just silly. Professionals just get offended that someone that isn't considered a professional is doing work that they believe should only be done by a professional. Im not saying thats dumb either. Im a professional photographer, and i act the same way. Its just offensive to pros to see beginners doing something just as good as them or even attempting to do something they do....so they then say you shouldnt or cant.

I was just trying to get the point across that it takes lots of time and is stressful either way....

good luck with whichever way you choose.

where is that ikea photo from, haha.

you all can talk badly about ikea, but my kitchen, bathrooms, laundry, wardrobes, everything is ikea, whatever bad things you heard about their products is a joke. the cabinets are exactly like any other places and work the same way, and are made of the same materials, and they have been around since the 70s and i think even earlier. I picked up my entire house in a day (of course more time to plan) and stuffed it in an enclosed trailer made for a trike motorcycle, and put the crap together, and installed it all in about 2 days.....thats 2 1/2 baths, 3 bedrooms, laundry, and kitchen with cabinets all the way to the top of a 11 foot ceiling, and all the way down a 30 foot wall and 15 foot wall....plus island. my parents had custom wood cabinets made, spent crap loads, took weeks if not a whole month, durability is just the same. except, when you get custom cabinets made, the inside parts mostly unfinished, alot of times theres cracks in places bugs can get in, ikeas stuff is finished nicely all over except the backs.....no trim out required, they can be freestanding on nice metal legs, and they are completely sealed.

just my 2 cents, no more to say....
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Pretzels TLDR. but thanks for trying to clarify your point. Most people will not fall into the same category as you - and some of your advice is really bad for MOST people.

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In many jurisdictions if you don't have closets, in the traditional sense, then you don't have a bedroom. What's the point of building a house if you can't sell it, because it doesn't have a legally defined bedroom?
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Pretzels,

Sorry you have such a bad opinion of contractors.

I feel really bad for you, if your ego allows you to believe that you do the same quality of work as professionals who have spent more years than you have been alive mastering a single trade.

And to claim no one cares about their work unless they are working on their own home, is just plain ridiculous.

I have over 20 years industry experience and still try and learn from those who have been around longer, as well as others, since the industry is always changing and people are continually developing new more effective ways of doing things. I would put down my tools and never pick them up again if your first attempt at building a house was done better than I could have done it.

From the sounds of it, I'll keep going without hesitation. While you claim to be sarcastic, all I hear is ignorance from someone young and dumb. Its okay, most of us were 20 and knew everything once too.
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Its okay, most of us were 20 and knew everything once too.
You must have been a late bloomer, I'm pretty confident I knew it all by 18.............


In all honesty, I'm sorry to hear that pretzels has had such poor experiences so far. Until elaborating further, it sounded like he was making a poor decision in trying to hire extremely cheap labor. I've been around construction for over 20 years as well, been in business for myself for 12. I can promise I continue on for more than the meager pay.
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geez sounds like pretzels is having a bad day, there are good contracters and bad ones , but if it were me i would hire it out iam sure theres someone thats looking for work
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Pretzels TLDR. but thanks for trying to clarify your point. Most people will not fall into the same category as you - and some of your advice is really bad for MOST people.

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In many jurisdictions if you don't have closets, in the traditional sense, then you don't have a bedroom. What's the point of building a house if you can't sell it, because it doesn't have a legally defined bedroom?
Built on land thats been in family since 1800s, never will sell it dont care what happens, everythings paid off....

so yes, im in a different category...
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Pretzels,

Sorry you have such a bad opinion of contractors.

I feel really bad for you, if your ego allows you to believe that you do the same quality of work as professionals who have spent more years than you have been alive mastering a single trade.

And to claim no one cares about their work unless they are working on their own home, is just plain ridiculous.

I have over 20 years industry experience and still try and learn from those who have been around longer, as well as others, since the industry is always changing and people are continually developing new more effective ways of doing things. I would put down my tools and never pick them up again if your first attempt at building a house was done better than I could have done it.

From the sounds of it, I'll keep going without hesitation. While you claim to be sarcastic, all I hear is ignorance from someone young and dumb. Its okay, most of us were 20 and knew everything once too.
why so offensive. you seem upset.

i said my views are only based on experiences.

and there is one reason why i can do better work on my projects than a professional......

Its my house, i live there, and i have way more time to perfect ONE thing that i hire a professional to work on for ONE day. So if you view it that way,

a professional may have 30 years experience in what he does, but each job he does is different, and he has very little time on each job. Compared to I, which will have 30 years experience screwing around with that one thing i hired him to work on for one day.

Other than that reason, i agree that there are real professionals, and you maybe one.

but you have no argument, and theres no reason to get offensive and argue or even discuss this. Because, like i said before, your trying to argue that my opinions are wrong, but they are right, because they are shaped by my crappy experiences. you cant change experiences, but over the years i could hire more actual professionals, have better experiences, and change my opinions.

I dont think im better than anyone, or know everything, or that i can do a better job than pros, but i can obviously do a better more custom job for my personal needs than any of the pros i have experience with.

I hired an electrician, he was professional. A perfectionist. I love him, and would call him out all the time, but he retired....

Your just trying to talk crap about me... and im merely giving my opinions and experiences on the topic. you have your views i have mine.

i read books and online on how to do things, i watch videos on how to do things, that were all created by pros, and i talk to pros, and i trust what they have to say. then i attempt to do those things. Some times i then hire someone to do those things. And i have never ever come across someone who does anything near what people say they should be doing. except my electrician.

I just want to hear this....

Do you people really not agree with my statement, experience doesnt matter, if their experience is experience doing something the wrong way or crappy for all those years of experience they claim. I dont even see how its possible to disagree with that statement.

None of this applies to everyone.....

you obviously are just plain ridiculous to start in on calling me dumb.....so ill have to leave it at this. you act like your older and seem to act like your a professional, maybe this is true, i might actually love your work and call you a pro if i ever see it, but remember your acting like your younger than me and are calling me names like your in grade school.....plus your automatically coming to your own conclusions from my statements, without actually understanding them, which is my fault for the bad clarity of them, so i apologize for that.
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by the way, thought i would add for the actual thread...

I have set no limits at all on the amount of money i have spent or have agreed to pay for the work i have hired professionals to do and i have never ever hired the cheapest bid....i have never set a limit on what to spend on my entire house project.

dont care how much it cost i just want it done right.

with that said, the whole idea of basing your hiring decision on their bid is void, so you cant base a decision on it.

Again, only with my experiences......you live in a different area, it will be different.
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Sounds like you built your place without a permit and inspections.
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Shouldn't this be moved to the "Off Topic" section by now?
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Why move it? Neither one knows what they are doing.
One thinks he can do it himself and one thinks he did it himself... I just want to see actual pictures
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Why move it? Neither one knows what they are doing.
One thinks he can do it himself and one thinks he did it himself... I just want to see actual pictures
who are you talking to and pictures of what?

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