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Old 02-28-2011, 06:52 PM   #16
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It has been common knowledge for decades that rock salt and chemical ice melters can damage some concrete surfaces. I too wonder why that information isn't readily available on the product packaging.

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Thank you. I just saw your reply. I thought of that but no one appears to know how to do it. If you could find some product to do this I'd appreciate it as would many others, I'll bet.
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Old 03-01-2011, 12:13 PM   #18
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even tho we're in atl, air's always part of our ext conc just in case we get cold weather.

there are polymer-modified cementitious mtls that are VERY suitable for repairing the damage,,, you can find examples on elitecrete.com or concretelocator.com,,, unfortunately, there is a learning curve but, if you have some common sense, read directions, stay in touch w/distributor, & take your time, its possible for a diy-er to perform successfully.
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Its the freeze / thaw cycle agreed. A bit of a departure from the original question, but for you southern boys who don't deal with snow ice much, forget the ice melt altogether -- unless you need it due to physical limitations.

The best ice remover on concrete I have found is a HEAVY floor scraper. Wait till the temp is around freezing, or don't wait till you've driven on for a week. That ice will pop up almost effortlessly, at least on the ice I have scraped over the last decades.
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Here, the highway department uses a vegetable spray (sugar beet juice) or if necessary, a saline solution before snow (pretreating) to make the removal easy and fast. It cannot be applied when there is rain or sleet because of the dilution. Our climate make pretreating a real benefit and the roads can be bare with a pass or two after a 6" snow.

Few home owners can afford to have the appropriate materials and time to be proactive.

If you buy by price you will always find rock salt (NaCl) that is cheap by the pound, but is ineffective in real cold weather, except for the "bite" it provides. The are also other materials (KCl, CaCl, etc.) available and they are blended to lower the cost for per pound price buyers. I buy a 25# bag of a "deicer" and use it in limited ways and usually give the old deicer tot he church to use because they have more area.

At cold temperatures (10F or less), rock salt gives a good feel and grip, but little ice removal.

Nothing beats having the right concrete in the first place.

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main reason i is now a ' southern ' boy's because fighting ice & snow for 60yrs in upstate ny was enuff dick, read that bergen cty ( nj ) was using salt brine this last winter ( still is up there, i guess ! ) nysdot was ' salting ' their plow/spreader truck's loads w/CaCL but that was over 20yrs ago,,, certain the ice fight technology's increas'd since then.

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itsreallyconcrete -

Ice prevention an removal is really a problem depending on the climate, sun, timing and purpose. It can really be a problem in the variable climate areas with moisture and possibly more cycles of freezing and thawing when it comes to concrete durability.

In a cold climate it is really not as difficult because of the low moisture and predictability. when it comes to durability, the right concrete and the right material applied at the right time minimizes the efforts and maximizes the results. - We are now going into the never-never- land of unpredictability of southern factors.

I have considered a new "tie tack" and may go back to the 40# trout since the 4400#, 265 mph Bugatti (VW powered) is a little heavy and I am just saving up for the $240,000 cash down payment so I can wait 2-3 years for a car and have to pay off the remainder of the $2,423,000 (U.S. $ today, but more in the future) balance.
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Thank you. I just saw your reply. I thought of that but no one appears to know how to do it. If you could find some product to do this I'd appreciate it as would many others, I'll bet.
Try this:

http://www.chlor-rid.com/home.php

"Salt-Away" is another manufacturer as well IIRC. Don't take my word for it, be sure to do your own research, as I've never found the need for these products. It may be worthwhile to look into some info on the effects of gypsum as well.
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Thank you. I went to the site. I guess that's what'll have to do before I have the driveway resurfaced. The professionals and suppliers are aware of the problem of salt damage to concrete, obviously. If I sell someone a skin care product to help their skin and I know it can have an adverse effect I have to warn my client and/or have them sign a release. Not only would it be wrong for me not to give warning but as a supplier I could be sued. I wouldn't go that far with this but it is a " do unto others..." thing, or a "buyer be ware", thing.
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When I bought the house the concrete drive looked beautiful and until now was my favorite part of the property. The beautiful driveway. Now it looks like someone threw hand granades and acid on it. Woe is me.

I'll probably move now. The house is 30 years old and will look funny if I have a new drive laid. I'll have to re-do the whole exterior.
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Thank you. I went to the site. I guess that's what'll have to do before I have the driveway resurfaced. The professionals and suppliers are aware of the problem of salt damage to concrete, obviously. If I sell someone a skin care product to help their skin and I know it can have an adverse effect I have to warn my client and/or have them sign a release. Not only would it be wrong for me not to give warning but as a supplier I could be sued. I wouldn't go that far with this but it is a " do unto others..." thing, or a "buyer be ware", thing.
Luckily, there's still enough common sense in this country that we hold the health & well being of human's higher than that of inanimate objects, like a concrete driveway. I understand you're frustration, but I don't think you have any kind of case at all here.


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When I bought the house the concrete drive looked beautiful and until now was my favorite part of the property. The beautiful driveway. Now it looks like someone threw hand granades and acid on it. Woe is me.

I'll probably move now. The house is 30 years old and will look funny if I have a new drive laid. I'll have to re-do the whole exterior.
I've been pouring concrete drives and the like for more than 20 years and I've never ran into a problem that could't be overcome. Today's concrete is no exception, as the options are endless.

If you really feel you need to move over this, I may recommend a therapist rather than a concrete contractor.
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