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Old 03-30-2007, 11:35 AM   #16
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Where is beer geek when you need him!

(To inspect the spacing of receptacles).

Now where are you beer geek?

LONG LIVE BEER GEEK!

Honestly beer geek, all of the jabs from Yummy Mummy are well deserved. You were on the attack and would not let it go.

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Old 03-30-2007, 11:47 AM   #17
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Steel,

WTF are you talking about? I confined my comments to the thread in question. I did not got on other threads and take shots at her without provication. I left it there. Be honest, which one of us is the one who can't let it go?
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Old 03-30-2007, 11:52 AM   #18
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You sure do have alot going on there. Like MinConst said, it is tough to see everything in pictures. Basically, what I did was just start framing things in and aligning them as much as possible. As far as how to build the soffits, there was quite a bit of discussion in the thread by yummy mummy "showing off my basement pictures" (something like that).

The duct work in that area is going to give you trouble. It looks like it bends around which will really make it difficult to frame it in.

The window is a difficult situation and it depends on what you are trying to accomplish by building out your basement. If you are trying to add value to your home with this project, the window you currently have will not do. You need to have a secondary means of egress out in order for it to be considered in an appraisal. A compliant window can be added, but it is alot of work. I actually put in two when I finished my basement and that was the part I spent the most time on (I dug the holes by hand).

If you just want to add a little extra space in your basement that you realize will not raise the monetary value of your home, then you can do what you want. In that case, there is no code section stating that you need any windows in a basement. You can also space the outlets as far apart as you want.

If you choose to go with the egress windows, you might be able to lower where the top of the window is and therefore be able to wrap the duct work without interfering with the window.
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Old 03-30-2007, 05:00 PM   #19
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I still don't see your comments on the receptacles here.
Why was I the only lucky one to have your "advise?"

I thought you "call it like it is."

.....or is it only "yummy mummies" that you like to give "advise" to?
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Old 03-30-2007, 10:32 PM   #20
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I still don't see your comments on the receptacles here.
Why was I the only lucky one to have your "advise?"

I thought you "call it like it is."

.....or is it only "yummy mummies" that you like to give "advise" to?
Let's see if you can follow this. YOUR thread was a "Look at my work... I'm about done thread." Am I wrong about that? Be honest.

Now, look at this thread. The starter said, and I quote "Im about to start finishing off my basement". See the operative words are ABOUT TO START. You, on the other hand were about to put up drywall. You've been working on it for some time. Code for an unfinished basement is ONE receptacle. You do know that, right? (Oh, I forgot, you don't care about codes.)

There is no reason for me, or anyone else, to comment on the receptacles because 'abstracted' hasn't done anything yet. He/she is just getting started. Got it? Abstracted is still in the framing stage of the project. You do know that you have to do the framing BEFORE you do the electrical, right??

So, once again, you are still obsessing over my comments. If you really are a psychologist, you might want to show your therapist these threads so you can work out your issues.

Face it. You did the wrong thing in your basement and can't stand that I've pointed it out. So, like your "defender" steel said, "Let it go".
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Your intelligence astounds me.............
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In the future, please do not attribute quotes to me for things I haven't said.

I know the difference between "advise" and "advice" and I never use the expression "call it like it is."

So, for the last time:

LET IT GO!
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In that case, there is no code section stating that you need any windows in a basement. You can also space the outlets as far apart as you want.
There are codes for a finished inhabitable basement. An egress window is code as are 6' spacing on outlets and protected by GFCIs. If you are pulling a permit you want to be in code or your not going to be a happy camper.
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There are codes for a finished inhabitable basement. An egress window is code as are 6' spacing on outlets and protected by GFCIs. If you are pulling a permit you want to be in code or your not going to be a happy camper.

Don't know what code you are refering to, but basement windows are not required in most. I have never seen or heard of an egress requirement for a basement. A 32X16 casement window does not meet egress requirements. Are you sure you are not refering to local requirements? What code are you using? I will look it up again on monday, but I am pretty sure the IRC does not have a basement requirement.

That being said, it certainly does not hurt to have a proper egress window in the space.

I don't get into electrical code, but 6' spacing for outlets in an unhabitable basement? And they have to be GFCI? What would you possibly need all of that in an empty basement for?

What I was referring to was if it is not going to be a space that is meant to be considered in an appraisal for the house, they can do what they want. It is not ideal to go against code, but if it is just a space to have for temporaray use, it really does not matter what is done. You can build 6' high ceilings if you want, but the space will not count for anything.

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OK, I looked it all up.

The IRC DOES have a requirement for windows in the basement. However, the window shown in the pictures does not qualify. In order to qualify, the window needs to be 5.7 sq. ft (opening) and be a maximum of 44 inches above the floor. The exception being a basement that is limited to 200 square feet.

So, to fully bring it up to code (because a change of occupancy will occur) the window would need to be larger and a proper light well installed. Althought this is completely off topic, hopefully it complicates things for you (that is what the code is there for).

The section I found on the outlets only requires one in the basement (in addition to what is needed for the laundry area) and it does not require the GFCI. Is there another section I am missing here?
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I did a lot of soffits in my basement, may be it is too many... basically, you can build all sort of stair types of structure if you want to pure drywalling... you can then use access doors whereever you want... I in fact have a lot of new left over metal access doors where I got from Ebay 12" and 9" ... also... you can buy cheaper plastic access doors...

the real draw back is the mudding phase, soffits mudding is a real "pain"... it is real tough to make it clear of marks expecially if the soffits are bit and pieces here or there....
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Box around the main beam and pipes. Install an access panel where you need access to the pipe cleanout. Go back up to the joists. Either move the copper pipe or install a cleat so it's above the ceiling. Box around the ductwork.
What's that round duct by the window? If it's the heat for the room, incorporate a ceiling grill for it.
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Most building codes I know requires the ceiling height clearance to be 7'-0" and 6'-6" under things like ducts, pipes, conduit, etc. ...but there are other requirements if 6'-6" is used in those select areas (see your building codes).

As for the beam, ducts and pipes, you can install soffits ("box it in") like the pictures (found on the net) below. If next to a perimeter wall, you might need to add fire blocking in wall separating wall cavity from the soffit cavity (see local building codes on fire blocking) --see last pic.

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ADK,

wow, very, very nice illustrations....really helps to explain things clearly for those inquiring...

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