Go Back   DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum > Home Improvement > Building & Construction

CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY...IT'S FREE!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 05-20-2012, 02:39 PM   #1
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 32
Rewards Points: 25
Default

How to Nail New Siding Under Existing Siding


Hi Everyone:

I have been a viewer on this site and this is my first posting. Great site by the way.

I have an older home (60 years old) that has cedar siding. The siding is about 15-1/2" to 16" long and the widths vary (3" to 12"). Each siding is exposed about 7". The siding is also tapered on one side and it is about 3/8" to 1/2" thick at the butt. I uploaded 2 pictures so you have a much better idea of what the siding looks like. One picture is the back side (non-exposed side) and the other one is of the garage, but the house exterior is the same.

http://s475.photobucket.com/albums/r...leofSiding.jpg

The wall has no plywood or OSB sheathing. The framing is 2x4 with 1x4 continuous horizontal battens @ 6-3/4" O.C. The siding is nailed to the 1x battens.

I am need of replacing a few of the cedar sidings, but not the entire wall. My question is how do you nail the new sidings correctly under the existing siding above (covering) it? I want to be clear that I will be sliding the new piece under the existing piece that is in good condition, and will be nailing the new under the existing so that it must be secured to the 1x battens. By my estimate the nail will head will be about 1" (or so) above the overlap measured from butt end of the existing siding.

I refered to various websites, youtube videos, forums, Cedar Shake & Shingle Bureau, etc. and I cannot find a single source detailing how to nail replacing shingles so that the nail is below the existing siding sitting over the replacement siding. A few suggested nailing right through the existing and new, but that is not correct since it will not allow the exisiting to expand and contract.

Sorry for the long post but I prefer being clear to my situation then to take the reader off tangent.

Thank you

Shuriko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2012, 02:47 PM   #2
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: ohio
Posts: 1,100
Rewards Points: 508
Default

How to Nail New Siding Under Existing Siding


the way i do it on replacement is face nail with finish nails then if getting pianted fill in nail hole

__________________
"be careful at listening to just one persons advise" said me
"be careful at listening to just one persons advise" said myself
p.s. not all i say is a fact but not all i say is my opinion.
jaydevries is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2012, 03:06 PM   #3
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 32
Rewards Points: 25
Default

How to Nail New Siding Under Existing Siding


Hi Jay:

Thanks for the suggestiong but I am not totally clear. Are you refering to nailing right through the existing siding lying over the new below it then using a nail punch to push the nail clear pass the existing? Or are you suggesting nailing both the existing and new together? If latter then that is not suggested since the existing is now secured at the middle and butt end. When the existing wants to expand it is locked in and the siding will crack.
Shuriko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2012, 03:44 PM   #4
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Hartfield VA
Posts: 26,926
Rewards Points: 2,968
Default

How to Nail New Siding Under Existing Siding


If you replacing boards in the middle of a wall there is no way to get around having to face nail it.
I would have used ring shank stainless steel siding nails instead of finish nails.
joecaption is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2012, 04:22 PM   #5
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 32
Rewards Points: 25
Default

How to Nail New Siding Under Existing Siding


Thanks Joe....I was afraid of that response. Easy to do but my concern is to reduce the likelihood of splitting from expansion and contraction.
Shuriko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2012, 04:28 PM   #6
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 32
Rewards Points: 25
Default

How to Nail New Siding Under Existing Siding


I came across this website for suggesting nailing under the existing course (see step 5). But it isn't totally clear to me what occurs to the new siding during step 6. Depending on the nail it will either bend upwards during step 6 or the nail will simply elongate the hole in the new siding when it is tap upwards by 1/2".

http://www.diyadvice.com/diy/siding/...ding-shingles/
Shuriko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2012, 04:30 PM   #7
Mod
 
kwikfishron's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Kansas (NCK)
Posts: 7,573
Rewards Points: 2,184
Default

How to Nail New Siding Under Existing Siding


Quote:
Originally Posted by Shuriko View Post
Thanks Joe....I was afraid of that response. Easy to do but my concern is to reduce the likelihood of splitting from expansion and contraction.
Nothing to worry about.

How do you think the shingles under the windows, or the top coarse are nailed?
__________________
A Picture Is Worth A Thousand Words
Especially In The DIY Chatroom
kwikfishron is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2012, 06:02 PM   #8
Member
 
Tom Struble's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: west milford n.j.
Posts: 2,785
Rewards Points: 2,000
Default

How to Nail New Siding Under Existing Siding


Quote:
Originally Posted by Shuriko View Post
I came across this website for suggesting nailing under the existing course (see step 5). But it isn't totally clear to me what occurs to the new siding during step 6. Depending on the nail it will either bend upwards during step 6 or the nail will simply elongate the hole in the new siding when it is tap upwards by 1/2".

http://www.diyadvice.com/diy/siding/...ding-shingles/

i use this technique alot,but i leave the shingle low by 1/4'' lift the over lapping shingle and get the nail started under the overlapping shingle,use a nail set to drive it flush then tap up your shingle to exposure
Tom Struble is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2012, 06:29 PM   #9
KemoSabe
 
loneframer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 644
Rewards Points: 500
Default

How to Nail New Siding Under Existing Siding


Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Struble View Post
i use this technique alot,but i leave the shingle low by 1/4'' lift the over lapping shingle and get the nail started under the overlapping shingle,use a nail set to drive it flush then tap up your shingle to exposure
I agree with Tom,....again.
__________________
It's not that it took him an hour to make 100 bucks, it's that it didn't take you 10 hours to save 100 bucks.
loneframer is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to loneframer For This Useful Post:
Tom Struble (05-20-2012)
Old 05-20-2012, 06:45 PM   #10
Mod
 
kwikfishron's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Kansas (NCK)
Posts: 7,573
Rewards Points: 2,184
Default

How to Nail New Siding Under Existing Siding


The only problem with that method (which I’ve done many times) is when you knock that shingle up that ¼“ is where it’s going to want to split. Looks great today but who knows later.

Op’s wall is painted, you’ll never notice a small face nail just below the coarse above.
__________________
A Picture Is Worth A Thousand Words
Especially In The DIY Chatroom
kwikfishron is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to kwikfishron For This Useful Post:
Tom Struble (05-20-2012)
Old 05-20-2012, 06:48 PM   #11
Member
 
Tom Struble's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: west milford n.j.
Posts: 2,785
Rewards Points: 2,000
Default

How to Nail New Siding Under Existing Siding


Quote:
Originally Posted by loneframer View Post
I agree with Tom,....again.
you know you like me
Tom Struble is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2012, 07:06 PM   #12
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 32
Rewards Points: 25
Default

How to Nail New Siding Under Existing Siding


Quote:
Originally Posted by kwikfishron View Post
Nothing to worry about.

How do you think the shingles under the windows, or the top coarse are nailed?
kwikfishron, off hand I do not know how they are nailed at the top because there is a trim piece (looks like a 1x4) that runs right over the seam where the siding abuts the soffit. But if the siding is the original to the home, which could be, then the nails (I assume) are nailed at the top of the last course and the 1x runs right over it or it is nailed through the 1x to hold the last course in place.

As for the course that runs below the window sill there is a narrow strip of siding (around 2") that runs over the seam where the last course abuts the bottom of the sill. Nails run right through the cedar strip and siding.
Shuriko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2012, 07:13 PM   #13
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 32
Rewards Points: 25
Default

How to Nail New Siding Under Existing Siding


Loneframer and Tom thank you for your responses.

As kwikfishron indicated I too believe that the elongation produced by the 1/2" or 1/4" shift by pounding the siding level will promote future cracks.

I do have a question with this procedure however. If you are able to pound the nail in at an angle with the siding at 1/4" lower than the adjoining siding why couldn't you close the distance further thereby eliminating the necessity to level by pounding the siding? Or is it the goal to get the bottom as close to level as possible prior to inserting the nail and pounding the siding afterwards is to ensure the course is level since it maybe impossible to level it in the first place?
Shuriko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2012, 07:36 PM   #14
Mod
 
kwikfishron's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Kansas (NCK)
Posts: 7,573
Rewards Points: 2,184
Default

How to Nail New Siding Under Existing Siding


Quote:
Originally Posted by Shuriko View Post
kwikfishron, off hand I do not know how they are nailed at the top because there is a trim piece (looks like a 1x4) that runs right over the seam where the siding abuts the soffit. But if the siding is the original to the home, which could be, then the nails (I assume) are nailed at the top of the last course and the 1x runs right over it or it is nailed through the 1x to hold the last course in place.

As for the course that runs below the window sill there is a narrow strip of siding (around 2") that runs over the seam where the last course abuts the bottom of the sill. Nails run right through the cedar strip and siding.
I have a buddy that nails that strip under the windows like that because it’s faster to staple those shingles now and just cover with a piece of trim.

When you nail small courses (2-3” shingles) under windows and such you need to pre-drill them or they can or will split, this takes time. I take the time to make sure all exposed nails lines are straight and uniform for a nice finished look. That trim strip is simply faster and I can’t say I’ve never done it.

In your particular case though you’re over thinking this a bit. Remove the old shingle, install the new nailing (4-5D ring shank siding nail) just below the coarse above, paint it and be done with it.

Here’s a little tip if you’re worried about splitting…Hold the head of the nail on a hard surface, with your hammer tap on the point of the nail to dull or round off the point.

There’s your (almost) split proof nail.
__________________
A Picture Is Worth A Thousand Words
Especially In The DIY Chatroom
kwikfishron is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to kwikfishron For This Useful Post:
hand drive (05-21-2012), Tom Struble (05-20-2012)
Old 05-20-2012, 07:46 PM   #15
Member
 
Tom Struble's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: west milford n.j.
Posts: 2,785
Rewards Points: 2,000
Default

How to Nail New Siding Under Existing Siding


oh my.. you are an old timer with a tip like that

Tom Struble is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Prep, repair cedar siding before restaining Clicchi Painting 0 09-10-2011 05:03 PM
Can you flash replacement windows with existing siding? twobyfour2 Windows and Doors 3 05-31-2011 09:29 PM
New siding, paint exsisting siding, or powerwash?? fixiechick General DIY Discussions 5 01-22-2009 11:50 PM
Siding: Cement Vs. Cedar Grumpy Remodeling 5 03-19-2005 01:07 PM
Siding: Aluminum vs. Vinyl Grumpy Remodeling 0 04-18-2004 03:35 PM




Top of Page | View New Posts

Copyright © 2003-2014 Escalate Media. All Rights Reserved.