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Old 08-17-2011, 11:37 AM   #16
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I think that the city's definition of a wall, is a attached room divider, but floor to ceiling bookshelves have to be attached, to keep them from tipping, so yes kwikfishron, I would say it becomes a wall in that nature.
attached to what? each other? can you just put 2 side by side and if necessary put some weight plates on the bottom so they don't tip? or maybe even a couch on each side?

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You can not just put weight plates on the bottom, or set a couch against it. Book cases just like file cabinets have been known to fall over. When you go to a library, the taller shelves are anchored together & anchored in the floor, just like in a warehouse with their "speed racks".

Because you are wanting a floor to ceiling divider as a book shelf, it at that point becomes a wall, so would have to fall under those rules, and has to be made to not be able to fall or be moved. But do what you want, no one is stopping you from setting them up how you want to. Just warn people when they come over to visit not to lean against them.
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You can not just put weight plates on the bottom, or set a couch against it. Book cases just like file cabinets have been known to fall over. When you go to a library, the taller shelves are anchored together & anchored in the floor, just like in a warehouse with their "speed racks".

Because you are wanting a floor to ceiling divider as a book shelf, it at that point becomes a wall, so would have to fall under those rules, and has to be made to not be able to fall or be moved. But do what you want, no one is stopping you from setting them up how you want to. Just warn people when they come over to visit not to lean against them.
ok gotcha. well how easily do they tip over, would someone have to run into it or will leaning on it do the trick?

do you think something like this would tip http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/S29894693 ?
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As long as you do not stack another on top of it. It can still tip if nothing such as a wall is not behind it, and someone falls against it.
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If you unitize the individual pieces across the top with 2 boards, one front ant 1 back, it should stay stable. Unless you host a Sumo wrestling party that gets out of hand.
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I think that the city's definition of a wall, is a attached room divider, but floor to ceiling bookshelves have to be attached, to keep them from tipping, so yes kwikfishron, I would say it becomes a wall in that nature.
do you know if it matters how big the depth/thickness of the unit is? because i could just buy 4 wardrobes and put them next to each other. these do not tip over but they're also pretty hard to move and this rule was made because some firefighters got trapped and couldn't get out so these wouldn't be much different than a wall in that sense but by the definition they are fine as they're freestanding. what do you think?
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You need to go to the Ikea store to look at them.
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i did that and they do not tip and they would get the job done i'm just trying to figure out if they are against regulation. because we were told "thin bookcase" this is a 22in in depth wardrobe
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If you were going to buid a wall, then I don't see how a ceiling to floor bookshelf is any more difficult.

Why does it need doors? Just put a sheet of 1/8" Luan on the back...paint or stain any color you want.....

Not a difficult job. Keep it simple and I would think a cabinet maker could knock one out for just a few hundred $$$...depending on the wood you were going to use.
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If you were going to buid a wall, then I don't see how a ceiling to floor bookshelf is any more difficult.

Why does it need doors? Just put a sheet of 1/8" Luan on the back...paint or stain any color you want.....

Not a difficult job. Keep it simple and I would think a cabinet maker could knock one out for just a few hundred $$$...depending on the wood you were going to use.
I'd like to see you get an 8 foot high by 10feet+ bookcase made by a shop for a few hundred dollars. Material alone would cost that.
He needs the door, because he's using the divider as a way to make a room like structure.
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If you were going to buid a wall, then I don't see how a ceiling to floor bookshelf is any more difficult.
it has to be free standing, so i can't attach it to the wall or to the floor therefore an 8 foot high bookshelf will tip if someone leans against it, a wardrobe will not. so what i'm trying to figure out is whether it would violate nyc code if i just made a wall out of 4 wardrobes side by side to one another.
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it has to be free standing, so i can't attach it to the wall or to the floor therefore an 8 foot high bookshelf will tip if someone leans against it, a wardrobe will not. so what i'm trying to figure out is whether it would violate nyc code if i just made a wall out of 4 wardrobes side by side to one another.
The info you received about a, "thin bookcase" is useless. Ask them specific dimensions.
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The info you received about a, "thin bookcase" is useless. Ask them specific dimensions.
can a building make it's own rules for this or is it by state regulation? if they never have me sign anything giving specific dimensions, can they make me take it down if they "think" it's too thick later?
i mean does it have to state that on the lease or can they just say whatever they like after i build it?
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I'd like to see you get an 8 foot high by 10feet+ bookcase made by a shop for a few hundred dollars. Material alone would cost that.
He needs the door, because he's using the divider as a way to make a room like structure.
I did all of my garage cabinets out of melamine...I have maybe $300 in them....total....

In the OP's case...maybe 5 sheets of plywood or melamine....2 sheets to make the vertical sections....rest to make shelves. Would take someone good with a table saw maybe 1 hour to rip everything. The rest could be done on site using a good circular saw (with a real blade).

For the door....if you wanted to be cheap....an external slider (pocket door but on the outside)...or just buy a door and frame...build book shelves around it.




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it has to be free standing, so i can't attach it to the wall or to the floor therefore an 8 foot high bookshelf will tip if someone leans against it, a wardrobe will not. so what i'm trying to figure out is whether it would violate nyc code if i just made a wall out of 4 wardrobes side by side to one another.
Even if you use a wardrobe, you should still run at least one screw through the top into the ceiling. Call it an Earthquake strap. If they say is has to be movable....just take out the screw.

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