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Old 05-25-2010, 10:09 AM   #1
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Heating porch/dinning room issue


Hello,

We live in MA. we purchased our house 3 years ago. Our dinning
room/porch is directly above shed and does not have any heating. It
gets very very cold (temp in that room goes down to 25 F) in that
room. Needless to say that we have to close that room for the winter.
We also noticed that the insulation in the shed is installed poorly.
We have checked that the windows are solid and don't bring in the
draft. We know that the door brings in cold draft but we cannot
believe that it is the only source of problem. Is there any other
source for draft besides the door? We have cathedral ceiling in the
porch area. I sometimes think that the room was converted into porch
so not sure if the walls have any insulations in them. What should we
do to fix this issue? I am looking for more economical/affordable
solution that I can do it myself. Thanks in advance for your time.

- Vik


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Old 05-25-2010, 11:49 AM   #3
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The doors to the shed do not look like they are helping out any. Did you take insulation down out of the floor joists that are showing in the pic? If not, I'd definitely insulate that area.

You might want to put covers over your junction boxes in the background. I am not sure if you are allowed to put insulation directly over a J-box by code.

What is directly above the room? Is there a 2nd floor or just a roof?

It looks like you have electricity in the area that you can tie into, maybe for baseboard heaters.
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#1 Without doors that seal tight against the weather the lower area will drop to the same Temp as outside

#2 Without insulation in the walls the room will get very cold

#3 Junction boxes can't be hidden in a ceiling

If the joists shown are in the shed then you need to:

Make the junction boxes accessible
Install R30 insulation & put up a ceiling, 5/8 probably since they might consider the shed a garage

Then insulate the walls

Getting new doors that seal tight against the weather will keep the shed warmer
Insulating the shed walls will help too
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@ Branden -- Porch/dinning room area is above shed, and there is nothing above the dinning room (just cathedral ceiling and roof). The shed doors are useless except that they can be closed and be locked. I have not taken any insulations out, the insulations is as was as shown in the pictures.

@scuba_dev -- about your #1, are you referring to the shed door or the dinning room door? I am less concerned if the shed gets cold in the winter as It is closed but I am more concerned with the temperature in dinning room area.
about #3, I am going to need electrical 101 (did not understand joist and junction box). Can you explain a bit more about 5/8 ?

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your floor insulation needs to have the foil vapor barrier facing the living space. I thats a coverted porch there may be inadequate/no insulation in ceilings and walls. i would suggest some exploratory drywall holes to see what you have
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Well you definitely need to do something about the doors, they just aren't going to cut it in the winter. I am not too sure what would be available in the way of insulated shed doors, depends on how big that opening is. Maybe you can close in the doorway to a standard sized door. That will require some work, but it will help out a ton. Then you can put up an insulated steel door.

Does the room get moist? If not, you can frame in the outside walls and add insulation and drywall.

You need to add insulation in between the floor joists where it is missing.

A J-box is a metal electrical box where multiple wires are tied together and can be seen in your pictures. They have to be accessible. You can hang a drop ceiling to help with the insulation and still have the J-box behind it, that is legal, as long as you can access the box.

Are the walls insulated in the room? Have you thought about blow in insulation.

You need to get a heat source in there. I like the idea of running a wire from that J box in the shed up through the floor and adding some electric heaters. You still will have to insulate however.
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Thanks guys for the feedback. It looks like there may be lot of work involved in this diy project.

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