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Old 03-14-2012, 10:45 AM   #16
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I would not have used those big nails to attach that trim. I use trim head stainless steel or ceramic coated screws with latex color matched caulking to cover up the screw heads.....
"Full-head" siding nails (as referred to in the industry), in ring-shank configuration, are commonly used for installation of exterior trim boards and siding as they have excellent holding-power against wind, warpage, etc.

My Point (To Clarify): Using them in the manner as shown (in the pics) was according to standard industry practice.


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http://www.tinytimbers.com/install_sidingnails.htm

http://www.wrcla.org/cedarspecs/installing/nails.asp

http://home-building-supplies.com/ht...less_steel.htm

http://forums.finehomebuilding.com/b...-exterior-trim






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Old 03-14-2012, 11:02 AM   #17
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Now THAT would piss me off. The big holes should be closed and sealed properly before they are covered. One crooked plank will lead to two, which leads to three and then one whole run, which leads to another whole run, which leads to half a side. Not good.

I hope you haven't paid for the full job yet. And if not, don't until all that stuff is fixed.

As a woman home owner, I've had some "interesting" experiences with contractors who assume that I couldn't possibly know anything about my home because I have boobs. One guy told me at my last house that I shouldn't vent my furnace on the driveway side of my house because (and I quote) "what if you come home drunk from a rugby party and hit the vent pipe with your car." Uh, thanks for the input, move along now.

More recently, I had someone in to estimate some work, and he kept addressing my husband instead of me. Finally my husband said point blank "talk to her about this, I don't understand a thing you're talking about." The look on the guy's face was priceless.

I totally understand a contractor asking if my husband will be home, since then they can field questions all at once. However, the blanket assumption that "men do this work" is endlessly irritating to me and a number of different contractors have lost my business for that reason alone.

My friend (single, female homeowner) had an installer completely screw up drywall. He hung it so the seam was centered between the upper and lower cabinets in the kitchen, instead of putting the seams behind the cabinets where they wouldn't show anyway. His finish work was crap and when it was painted, you could clearly see the line. When she asked him about it, she was told that that was "how it turned out" and that she "wouldn't notice it after a while." It took multiple calls to his supervisor to get it finished correctly, and he was pissed that she complained, and that caused other issues with his work.

Now, granted, I'm sure there are contractors who treat men the same way. However in my experience the way they speak to my husband is VERY different from how they talk to me... until they are informed that I'm the one that does that work.
Well first of all, I'm not in a "PANIC" as one might seem to assume. Upset....yes, Pissed...yes. I think I have a ten thousand dollar right to be! And the excuse that "We're not perfect" is not good enough for me. Just sayin'. Have you looked at the other pictures I posted this morning? Those are just a few. While some on the thread seem to think it looks good, I guess you have to actually be here to see it for yourself. And I agree, some/most men think because it's the female handeling issue they try to sell you some lame excuse. Well, the latest excuse for the past two weeks now is the GM got involved and supervisor is "waiting" on how to proceed with the issues. Since THEY involved the GM, I will be addressing the GM myself TO-DAY!
NO more excuses....not today! And my husband always has my back but stays out of the way when I'm on a roll. He knows I've done my homework. I trained him early on when we married, that I am a mexi-can, not a mexi-cant!
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As fired-up as you are, I hope that things can be handled with some patience, rationality, and professionalism - on both ends (with both parties involved).

That is all I can offer at this point. Best of luck with coming to an understanding or a resolution.
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As fired-up as you are, I hope that things can be handled with some patience, rationality, and professionalism - on both ends (with both parties involved).

That is all I can offer at this point. Best of luck with coming to an understanding or a resolution.
You seem to think I'm "fired-up" on my posts? Really? Well I guess some men are more sensitive to some womens opinions....
Things will go well I'm sure but certainly by no advice from some here on the post.

Thanks and Good Luck to you as well.
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im just looking over your thread.. based on the photos of your house.. these installers should stick to hanging vinyl.. harti plank and wood siding require much more attention to detail both in the prep work and the installation itself.

when it comes to harti there are very few contractors that i know that will install the product directly to the manufacturer's specs.. reason being they want to get the job done and move on to the next one.. with harti they have a very detailed method for install covering everything from flashing behind butt joints.. the need for rain screen.. keeping the planks up 2" off of roof decks.. using touch up paint on all cut ends.

where i work now were one of the few contractors that harti will honor the warrenty for as we overkill everything we do when it comes to siding and framing. see pics below..

5 years ago i was with a different contractor who took on a harti job.. first thing he asked me was if i had installed it before.. "yes, and im licensed to by the rep for harti".. he next asked if its ok to install directly over old siding, NO.. and the list went on and on... anyhow he wanted us to do all kinds of stupid things that went against the warrenty... i couldnt believe how he this guy thought he knew it was ok because he had 30 years experience.. i called him out on this and other things.. walked shortly after

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To the OP,
You have ever right to be upset! It is your home! your Money you want it done right! If the contractor gives you grief I would take him to court you have enough ammo to win in court. The Installation guild lines etc. But take the owner to court not just his company.
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Beautiful work. Gorgeous homes as well. I want to ask you a question...once the planks are up and the trim is overlapping the planks, there is a gap between each board, is that then caulked or just left alone. I hate looking at the gaps that the lapping after each board. The trim is not put on to cover the gaps I know. Personally, I don't like the "gap" look but I'm not sure if it's supposed to be caulked afterwards. One Youtube, I see where they apply caulking but my gaps are pretty big and would require quite a bit of caulk...Have I confused you yet?

Thanks for your response. It's well aprreciated.

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Beautiful work. Gorgeous homes as well. I want to ask you a question...once the planks are up and the trim is overlapping the planks, there is a gap between each board, is that then caulked or just left alone. I hate looking at the gaps that the lapping after each board. The trim is not put on to cover the gaps I know. Personally, I don't like the "gap" look but I'm not sure if it's supposed to be caulked afterwards. One Youtube, I see where they apply caulking but my gaps are pretty big and would require quite a bit of caulk...Have I confused you yet?

Thanks for your response. It's well aprreciated.

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Well I always put on the trim first. the the siding then I caulk the end joints the boards that are next to the siding. I leave a 1/8 inch gap between the siding and the trim then fill with caulk as directed by the installation guild lines. Best of luck to you.
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Beautiful work. Gorgeous homes as well. I want to ask you a question...once the planks are up and the trim is overlapping the planks, there is a gap between each board, is that then caulked or just left alone. I hate looking at the gaps that the lapping after each board. The trim is not put on to cover the gaps I know. Personally, I don't like the "gap" look but I'm not sure if it's supposed to be caulked afterwards. One Youtube, I see where they apply caulking but my gaps are pretty big and would require quite a bit of caulk...Have I confused you yet?

Thanks for your response. It's well aprreciated.

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The trim should be installed first. The siding is then installed, leaving an appropriate gap between the siding planks and the trim. You would then caulk the gap. Installing the trim OVER the siding is not a proper installation method.
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Well I always put on the trim first. the the siding then I caulk the end joints the boards that are next to the siding. I leave a 1/8 inch gap between the siding and the trim then fill with caulk as directed by the installation guild lines. Best of luck to you.
I saw that on YOUTube as well. Not sure what the supervisor's suggestions are going to be tmrw, but all I want is it done correctly and I'm willing to hear him out first. i really don't want my warranty with James Hardie affected because these guys didn't know what they were doing or did a rush job and I did nothing about it. A lot of money initially went into this project and I'm just asking that it be corrected. Not sure what's going to happen with the "theft" of property issue but I guarentee that I will be watching like a hawk! Wish me luck! I will post after my meeting tmrw. Stay tuned!

Thanks again for all your input. I at least will go into this knowing what some of the options are.

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we install all of our trim on the wall first when doing harti plank or wood siding. typically we have 2 teams of 2 guys..

the first pair are setting the corner posts then the water table if the detail calls for it which then gets a metal cap flashing.. after that they go onto windows and doors which the other two guys are typically doing. when one wall has all the trim one we have 2-3 guys who start to hang the siding just depending on the size of the crew on the job that day.
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Okay...so I met with the siding supervisor today and all I can say is that he said he was leaving the meeting better educated about some practices he was not aware of. He requested copies that I printed from the James Hardie website and even though he says JH contradicts themselves, he still claims I have nothing to worry about even though they didn't use the JH installation method guide(s), he claimed that the company would honor anything that went wrong...(no flashing @ joints, caulked joints, etc.) as I explained to him, I as well as he could not tell me if and how long the company would be in business and because of the incorrect installation practices, I also would be out my JH warranty as well. Family owned businesses come and go without notice or recourse and I am not willing to take that chance.
He claims that he will "ponder" all that was discussed and will get back to me...you got it....NEXT WEEK!
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Get it all in writing & signed.....


FWIW - We only install according to manufacturer specs. The end of this post explains my point.

Examples:

1.) We installed a synthetic vinyl slate in January on a custom garage project we built. This particular roofing material was a new product for us. The first thing I did was look into getting a certification from the Manufacturer, which we could not locate in the region. I did personally go over all of the Manufacturer's installation guideline information (in detail) on what they recommended, including fastener types (spec nails).

2.) There are particular universal standards (procedures) for installing new-construction windows. However, I will still review a new brand/line, to see if there is the smallest point that the particular manufacturer stipulates, so as to NOT allow an issue that can void a warranty - for my Client's sake (its really the installer's professional responsibility to protect their Clients. The Home Owners are entrusting them to work on their homes and to do the best possible job, and to do what is required to cover all warranties).


I just don't understand the concept of people, or companies that don't do the same thing.

Why wouldn't you want to:

1. Install the best job possible.
2. Build Trust and Ensure "that" Trust with all your Clients.
3. Install in such a way that the product lasts and continues looking the best it should (it reflects on the quality of your work & your reputation).
4. Protect your Client by ensuring that all warranties will be covered = By installing correctly and according to Manufacturer specs.


? I just don't get it ? .....
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A few things I noticed: Your link at Hardie shows corner trim over the siding, acceptable at outside corners, not inside. My link shows it installed first, before the siding- HZ10: http://www.jameshardie.com/homeowner...nkLapSiding.py

You are missing the starter strip under the first (bottom) course- to cant that for looks and water.

Check for a joint flash of "waterproof" material, or WRB, which per code, could be 15# asphalt coated paper or felt (different)material. I interpret that as waterproof- #30 paper is not waterproof- starts at 5 perms and opens to 30 perms, the wetter it gets. To hold them to the warranty- use "waterproof" material, not WRB material.

"James Hardie recommends 6-in. wide flashing that overlaps the course
below by 1 in. Some local building codes may require different size flashing.
Joint-flashing material must be durable, waterproof materials that do not
react with cement products. Examples of suitable material include finished
coil stock and code compliant water-resistive barriers. Other products may
also be suitable."
From: http://www.jameshardie.com/pdf/USTB_...utt-Joints.pdf


Using caulking with your siding voids the warranty as stated in all the instructions:




"Summary of James Hardie’s position:
• HardiePlank lap siding with ColorPlus technology- Joint
flashing behind field butt joints is required, the use of
caulk will not be warranted."

Gary

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