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mben 03-30-2008 05:53 PM

hanging ceiling above the joists?....
 
We have a 1959 ranch. When we got up in the attic we found 2X6 joists 2ft apart, 2x6 rafters 2 ft apart, and collar ties. There are also boards running diagonally down from mid rafter to the center line of the joists, and a few vertical supports from the ridge beam down to some of the joists. The ridge beam spans about 45 feet, and our house is 25 feet wide. We would like to add height to our 8 foot ceilings-is there a way to hang the ceiling above the joists to create more visual height? We were told that the roof is a "pieced together truss" type and that if we wanted to do anything architectural with the roof, ceiling heights, that we would have to take the whole roof off and bring in trusses. How much would this cost for a 24X22 area (kitchen and living room), or is there a way to just visually raise the ceiling above the joists, as I mentioned earlier? Thanks, mben

LawnGuyLandSparky 03-31-2008 08:33 AM

Yea just find the ceiling raising lever in the center hall closet and pull on it. (It may be difficult if you have a lot of stuff stored in the attic.)

mben 03-31-2008 11:31 AM

ha ha
 
Very funny. . I mean this seriously. I am an RN by profession, not a builder. This site is for advice, not seeing which of you can crack the funniest jokes at us, right? Reading over some of the others' posts, I'm thinking it's the latter...

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't comprehend the question.... Try to understand this time. We would like a higher ceiling, but don't want to mess with the joists or the trusses that were originally built, so could you please tell me, if there is a way to place the ceiling above the joists-where the joists are exposed, and part of the truss is exposed? I think it's a valid question, but maybe I'm wrong. If not, please inform me politely. Thanks, Monica

If you're incapable of that, then maybe when you're in the hospital recovering from a heart attack, and you ask me if you're going to live, I'll laugh at you and joke with my fellow nurses that if we just stick another suppository in your ass, your ticker would work better. Grow up

jogr 03-31-2008 11:39 AM

Yes, if you want exposed joists all you have to do is remove the attic insulation, remove the drywall, reroute any electric wires that are running through the exposed joists, attach new drywall on top of the joists, put insulation on top of drywall.

Ckeck with your building department for what permits are needed.

mben 03-31-2008 12:12 PM

thanks
 
Thanks for your mature and professional answer. My concern is with insulation..... Does doing this always create a problem where the wall meets the rafters? Is there a way to address this, if it posses a problem?

jogr 03-31-2008 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mben (Post 112504)
Does doing this always create a problem where the wall meets the rafters? Is there a way to address this, if it posses a problem?


You'll need to use something to keep an air channel from your soffit vents to your attic open (many varieties of cardboard or foam chutes are available at home centers) and then you'll want to fill around these channels with insulation and extend your drywall from the wall up the bottom face of the rafter to the new height of your drywall ceiling on the joists.

LawnGuyLandSparky 03-31-2008 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mben (Post 112479)
Very funny. . I mean this seriously. I am an RN by profession, not a builder. This site is for advice, not seeing which of you can crack the funniest jokes at us, right? Reading over some of the others' posts, I'm thinking it's the latter...

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't comprehend the question.... Try to understand this time. We would like a higher ceiling, but don't want to mess with the joists or the trusses that were originally built, so could you please tell me, if there is a way to place the ceiling above the joists-where the joists are exposed, and part of the truss is exposed? I think it's a valid question, but maybe I'm wrong. If not, please inform me politely. Thanks, Monica

Forgive the wisecrack, but what you're proposing is just, IMO, downright ludicrious. You do realize that you won't end up with "higher ceilings" but rather a web of exposed 2 -bys? Further, the sheetrock that encapsulates your home's "bones" affords a degree of fire resistance, and that no insurer would touch this structure with a 10-foot rider.

Further, houses have been built and designed with particular "standards" that have progressed over the years. Everything made for homes and construction methods and codes and materials are designed around these particulars. What you propose changes everything about your insulation, venting, fire resistance, electrical, heating/ventilation, and all this to "gain" what, 6" of ceiling height?

Quote:

If you're incapable of that, then maybe when you're in the hospital recovering from a heart attack, and you ask me if you're going to live, I'll laugh at you and joke with my fellow nurses that if we just stick another suppository in your ass, your ticker would work better. Grow up
Well I'd better watch my P's and Qs then... because your idea is practically giving me a heart attack! :jester:

Leah Frances 03-31-2008 02:11 PM

mben - don't worry about the haters. Part of the fun of DIY is doing something for yourself regardless of what other people think. But, listen to Jogr, and get your permits.

Have fun.

jogr 03-31-2008 02:21 PM

Please understand that I'm not advocating this. It would be a tremendous amount of work for virtually no gain and would probably cause your property value to decrease. I'm just saying how it would need to be done.

And I don't think LawnGuy is being a hater at all. He added a bit of harmless humor in his first post and his second post appears to be sincere feedback intended to help the OP. In fact, it was pretty kind considering the OPs threats to his lower alimentary tract.LOL

mben 03-31-2008 04:52 PM

thanks, and mini-lecture
 
Thanks JOGR, and LEAH. We've been through the ringer with our architect, neighbors, and the city. All I'll say, is, "Solar Exemptions", "Neighborhood Covenants", "City Council FAR changes", and LOTS of money already spent.... all during our planning/design process. I won't bore you with details...

I was hoping your website could help me gain some insight into what has been done out there to creatively achieve different looks. Eventually, I did get an actual answer, and thanks for that. Obviously, what I initailly proposed wasn't a good idea.... We are now entertaining the idea of having the entire roof taken off over a 22X24 space, and replaced with rafters or trusses to achieve a higher cieling.

Now, a lecture:

Lawnboy's second response was somewhat more appropriate. I don't mind an honest answer. Telling me it's a bad idea is acceptable, but belittling and cracking jokes AS an answer is unprofessional and rude. I am a fan of HUMOR, but not of sarcasm and denogration as an answer to a serious question. I have a good hunch lawnboy wasn't planning on following up with a normal response, either. In reading other posts on your site, it seems this is pretty commonplace, and I'm not the only one to find it irritating and asinine. In fact, frequently, the answers offered become a battle of sarcastic wit among you all while simultaneously poking fun at the HO, instead of an informational forum. If you want to show off to your cyberbuddies at how ridiculous you can make the HO look, do that on your own time, not at our expense. The internet is not an excuse to give yourself liberty to be a jerk, just beause you are safely alone in your room, and not confronting an actual person.

There, I said that, and now I'm over it.... BTW-the lower GI tract comment was an ANALogy:), not a threat.

mben 03-31-2008 05:00 PM

thanks, and mini-lecture
 
Thanks JOGR, and LEAH. We've been through the ringer with our architect, neighbors, and the city. All I'll say, is, "Solar Exemptions", "Neighborhood Covenants", "City Council FAR changes", and LOTS of money already spent.... all during our planning/design process. I won't bore you with details...

I was hoping your website could help me gain some insight into what has been done out there to creatively achieve different looks. Eventually, I did get an actual answer, and thanks for that. Obviously, what I initailly proposed wasn't a good idea.... We are now entertaining the idea of having the entire roof taken off over a 22X24 space, and replaced with rafters or trusses to achieve a higher cieling.

Now, a lecture:

Lawnboy's second response was somewhat more appropriate. I don't mind an honest answer. Telling me it's a bad idea is acceptable, but belittling and cracking jokes AS an answer is unprofessional and rude. I am a fan of HUMOR, but not of sarcasm and denogration as an answer to a serious question. I have a good hunch lawnboy wasn't planning on following up with a normal response, either. In reading other posts on your site, it seems this is pretty commonplace, and I'm not the only one to find it irritating and asinine. In fact, frequently, the answers offered become a battle of sarcastic wit among you all while simultaneously poking fun at the HO, instead of an informational forum. If you want to show off to your cyberbuddies at how ridiculous you can make the HO look, do that on your own time, not at our expense. The internet is not an excuse to give yourself liberty to be a jerk, just beause you are safely alone in your room, and not confronting an actual person.

There, I said that, and now I'm over it.... BTW-the lower GI tract comment was an ANALogy:), not a threat.

Clutchcargo 03-31-2008 06:40 PM

You have both collar ties and and joists? I wonder if you could take out the existing ceiling and drywall the collar ties.
FWIW, I chuckled at the idea of a lever in the closet. If nothing else, LawnGuy bumped your thread to the top and got a few more eyes on it.

Edit: No that won't work, you wouldn't be able to get insulation in there with only 2x6s as rafters. You might be able to put a faux cathedral ceiling in, which would be an angled ceiling giving the appearance that it is the underside of the roof but it really be just a raised ceiling.

Clutchcargo 03-31-2008 07:37 PM

Another idea is to tray the ceiling. Cut the center section out of the current ceiling joists off leaving about two feet on each end from the wall. Put a full length joist on top of two cut ends. Does that make sense?

mben 03-31-2008 07:50 PM

collar ties...
 
Yes, we do have collar ties, but we also have some diagonal pieces extending down from mid-rafter and angling in and attaching near the center of to the joists. I'll see about this suggestion. Thanks for taking interest. Mben

LawnGuyLandSparky 04-01-2008 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mben (Post 112619)
Now, a lecture:

Lawnboy's second response was somewhat more appropriate. I don't mind an honest answer. Telling me it's a bad idea is acceptable, but belittling and cracking jokes AS an answer is unprofessional and rude. I am a fan of HUMOR, but not of sarcasm and denogration as an answer to a serious question. I have a good hunch lawnboy wasn't planning on following up with a normal response, either. In reading other posts on your site, it seems this is pretty commonplace, and I'm not the only one to find it irritating and asinine. In fact, frequently, the answers offered become a battle of sarcastic wit among you all while simultaneously poking fun at the HO, instead of an informational forum. If you want to show off to your cyberbuddies at how ridiculous you can make the HO look, do that on your own time, not at our expense. The internet is not an excuse to give yourself liberty to be a jerk, just beause you are safely alone in your room, and not confronting an actual person.

There, I said that, and now I'm over it.... BTW-the lower GI tract comment was an ANALogy:), not a threat.

Honey... read your lecture again. "Your expense?" What expense is that exactly? Financial? Time? Pride? Ego?

Forums are free. I've spent more time here than you. And nobody knows who you are so, your ego couldn't be bruised.

Grow a thicker skin and suck it up. This is why they didn't allow women in construction.


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