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Old 07-31-2009, 09:17 AM   #16
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I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

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Old 07-31-2009, 09:20 AM   #17
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can you take the "sketch" you have and add some dimensions to it and i can see what you are playing with? house wall and slab size and where the pool will be with the height of the pool and diameter?
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Old 07-31-2009, 09:54 AM   #18
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This is all I have for now. I did a rough estimate last night.
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This is the approximate layout of my back yard
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Old 07-31-2009, 10:57 AM   #19
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Another design I had which i really like. It gives me more deck to work on, but it looks nice.


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Old 07-31-2009, 01:32 PM   #20
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what about someting like this. the deck by the house is raised with a area for stairs. then there is stairs going from there to the main deck around the pool?
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Old 07-31-2009, 03:29 PM   #21
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Its nice and all, but I have 3 kids, 11, 7, and 5. I am a bit worried about the 7 and 5 year old kids. One can barely touch bottom and the other cannot at all. I wanted to do the above deck because I can still have a deck off the back porch anchored by the patio and have a gate at the stairs to keep out the kids. Nice design though. You must have some software to do that. Nice. I think having a section where it steps up to a small deck area would be a waist of space though, and would definitely collect water near the door with the surrouding wood.
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Old 08-15-2009, 09:45 AM   #22
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I think I can manage some 4x4 posts sunk in concrete around the concrete slab and then worry about anchoring it down after its complete, if at all. The wood alone would anchor it down. I am thinking in hopes that it is behind my house and I don't have to use a permit for anything. Unseen, and possible yup in one day.
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Old 08-15-2009, 11:28 AM   #23
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Be prepared to pay fines & penalties if you do not pull a permit
In some cases these fines & penalties can be VERY expensive
A nieghbor decided to redo his deck without a permit
Inspector had a chat with him, not sure of the outcome
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:49 AM   #24
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I have a friend who rebuilt his deck with no permit. Did everything the same if not more sturdy, and no permit. Who knows. I just don't want them saying that I can't built it because of the slab. I also built a 12x16 shed with my father in law and he recieved a notice to stop work and pay $75 showing schematics. All that sh*t is, is the city wanting money for another damn thing you build. I think its bullsh*t anyway! If they stop my work, then I will get everything together to pay there fine. I'm not worried to much about it. I wil do it all in one day. Keeps it quick and simple.

I did notice that every deck I see just has the 4x4 straight into the ground and concreted in. Even on some very expensive houses. I guess that is code as long as it is below the freeze line. I plan on sinking my posts about 12"-15" deep.
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Keep in mind that if someone by any chance ever gets hurt by it falling there is even a greater chance for libility on your part. without mo inspections pulled. they dont cost much at all. around me its like 100 or so.

Its alot easier to do the work inside of your house without a permit then it is on the outside.
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Keep in mind that if someone by any chance ever gets hurt by it falling there is even a greater chance for libility on your part. without mo inspections pulled. they dont cost much at all. around me its like 100 or so.

Its alot easier to do the work inside of your house without a permit then it is on the outside.
My answer to that is that for a ground level deck, it doesn't have very far to fall. A GRAND TOTAL of 4 inches. Seriously, if it falls...it would be a framing problem, and I have never had problems with the way I reinforces my framing. You should see my workbench in my garage. Besides, it would just slant if it did. The deck isn't 5ft off the ground or anything. I appreciate the advise though.
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Not sure, but I think there code issues with pools which should be researched first.
Something about the lip having to be more that 4 feet off the ground to prevent children from falling in, and/or the entire pool-area has to be enclosed with a fence.
It would be a shame to build it, then get dropped by the insurance company and fined/condemed by the city.

A big pool right in front of the patio door might be a little overwhelming. I'd suggest moving it next to the garage or a little to the left of the kitchen windo next to the fence.
I would also recommend trenching the ground in front of the patio. From the picture it looks like water runs downhill right into the doorway.

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You’re at a point to really consider refining this layout for “value added”. You want people to say, “Wow, what a deck!” Not just, “Oh, a deck. How nice.”

I’m going to take the presumptuous position of suggesting a few things.

One, although you may not see it now, your projected egress to the pool, those steps, will possibly grow to be a source of inconvenience to you. Steps should lead from one deck level to another… not to a three foot wide corridor around the pool to the other deck. And going straight up to the pool like that is not really the best approach. To effect more ergonomic functionality, you might consider a single step (to the left as you leave the house) leading up to an intermediate deck level in that open area over where your barbeque?? now sits. Then the other step up to pool level over where the bigger deck now begins. Somewhat similar to your second drawing.

This will eliminate an opposing traffic bottleneck on that potentially dangerous 3’ walk-around. It will remove the awkwardness of coming right to the pool edge as you climb the stairs with your hands full of drinks or food. And it will create a very welcome second semi-private conversation area on a 12’x15’ ?? intermediate deck.

If you are considering incorporating railing mounted seating around your perimeter (a beautiful and functional addition since chairs all over the deck are a hassle), you might want to construct those 90 degree outside corners to be rounded or angled, so the seating will flow smoothly. Square corner seating just does not work because we humans have knees that knock into other people’s knees at square bench corners.

Lighting. Because you have a pool, you will likely be restricted in how close you can come to the water’s edge with electricity… AND possibly also be required to maintain a certain fixture height. But the two corners of the bigger deck would be ideal locations for full-height 8 or 10 foot posts (run them right up from the foundation) with lamps on top.

One more point for eliminating that 3’ walk-around and moving the steps is that in the place they were, you now have an ideal spot to construct a poolside serving shelf. Walk out of the house, and go straight to the poolside to place drinks for the kids. It will be a good place to set sunglasses, toys, and earplugs too.
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Drawn without the necessary and required railings because that's a lot of work, and I'm lazy. This gives you the rough idea.

You have three, independent, good size deck areas, yet they are all joined as a continuious unit.

This configuration effectively keeps the two lower decks dry from the kids getting in and out of the pool. Much nicer for the adults. And also because of the length of the distance from the pool exit to the step on the big deck, all the steps stay relatively dry. A BIG safety factor.

By the way, in effect, you only have to build ONE step this way. And this (with 7" step ups) gives you about 28" from the ground to the top of your pool.

Go to the right top toolbar, click on <PAGE>, then ZOOM, and blow this up to 200%.
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With some railings. Could probably use a railing in front of that shrubery.

Added a couple of lamp posts.....
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