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Old 01-04-2008, 10:27 PM   #31
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What kind of roof is this, what is it made out of? That's what I am wanting to use.
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Looks like the smart roof system I mentioned. Aluminum skin on the outside, compressed polystyrene on the inside. Good system but not cheap, you need to lay the panels in aluminum channels to keep them watertight but the aluminum is pre-finished and would suit a hot tub area.

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Old 01-04-2008, 10:30 PM   #32
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concrete guy came today said that the other slab wasn't thick enough to build on. He would have ot break it up. I redrew my plans and i will post them tomorrow. I am going to just do a 16 x 14 building and cover the other 16 x 11 for the hot tub.
Build the room, put the hot tub under a cool looking pergola, saves money and looks great...)
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Wall and roof, usually a 3" on the wall, 3" or 4" on the roof. They would be ideal for a hot tub area, aluminum skin both sides, compressed polystyrene inside, great insulation.
What is the R-value? The ones I've seen have had some sort of foam in them, but I thought this was for reducing sound from rain etc. I figured they could make them structural, but I haven't personally seen any that would seem close. I like this idea for around hot tub areas though - wouldn't completely freeze your butt off in the winter and it would probably handle the humidity levels a lot better.
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R value is comparable to f/glass insulation, may be a little less depending on the thickness of the panel, BUT, remember that you're using channel to install so no air gets in. Have never had a problem with code except with inspectors that haven't encountered the product before. Most trouble has been with floor panels, inspectors can't understand how 6" of compressed foam between two 1/2" OSB's can be strong enough...
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Yeah, I am going to do as you said. I am going to build a room for just the pool table and a love seat. build a 11foot covered patio for the hot tub *that area isn't safe to build on the contractor said. I am going to do all this myself so I am hoping to cut down on the cost. So what kind of roof that will come close to my budget? I was looking at the glue down rubber option, what do you think?
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Klint, gotta ask you, are you really sure you wanna do this yourself??
First, you're putting a slab in before drawing up a final plan. You're starting a build without a detailed plan or even a permit, you're gonna place a hot tub weighing up to 4000 lbs on a four inch slab (looking at the pic) you're not sure will even hold it without cracking, it doesn't appear to have a footing BUT I may be wrong.
You're gonna build the thing yourself from the pad up because you wanna save a dime and you have no idea on what you want as far as roofing and finishing is concerned other than you're trying to short-cut for money (you're already compromising and what started as a good looking idea).

You lack the knowledge, which you're readily admitted and you run the risk of making one huge mistake that will require you tearing some of it down because it doesn't comply to code. That blows that budget...
I've seen nothing here that inspires confidence in your ability to do this right.
Klint, if I have a large fire to put out then I'm gonna rely on someone that knows fires. If you're building a reasonably large structure and you want it done right first time then, although it will eliminate your penny pinching, hire a person that knows exactly what to do.
If I wanna spend $5000 to build a structure then I'd go to $7000 or $8000 if I had to, to make sure it's right both structurally and aesthetically. Cheap ain't never good and you can guarantee that sooner rather than later it will bite you on the butt. What you finish with ain't gonna look anything like what you started with.
No disrespect intended, just trying to save you a ton of heartache and money....)
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Yeah I understand where your coming from but The roof is the only thing I a mworried about. I have been remodeling for years now. My dad and I have already closed in my carport, remodeled my house built a fireplace. At my parents house did a $12,000 kitchen remodel, added a screened in room built a 2100SqF shop ect.. I just wanted to make sure to ask you guys what I needed to do on this roof. I know what I want and how it will look when we're done. I am just wondering what you guys think about the glue down rubber roof and the sun room roof. My father has always just used metal roof and I would rather something else that is more appealing.
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Klint, gotta ask you, are you really sure you wanna do this yourself??
First, you're putting a slab in before drawing up a final plan. You're starting a build without a detailed plan or even a permit, you're gonna place a hot tub weighing up to 4000 lbs on a four inch slab (looking at the pic) you're not sure will even hold it without cracking, it doesn't appear to have a footing BUT I may be wrong.
You're gonna build the thing yourself from the pad up because you wanna save a dime and you have no idea on what you want as far as roofing and finishing is concerned other than you're trying to short-cut for money (you're already compromising and what started as a good looking idea).

You lack the knowledge, which you're readily admitted and you run the risk of making one huge mistake that will require you tearing some of it down because it doesn't comply to code. That blows that budget...
I've seen nothing here that inspires confidence in your ability to do this right.
Klint, if I have a large fire to put out then I'm gonna rely on someone that knows fires. If you're building a reasonably large structure and you want it done right first time then, although it will eliminate your penny pinching, hire a person that knows exactly what to do.
If I wanna spend $5000 to build a structure then I'd go to $7000 or $8000 if I had to, to make sure it's right both structurally and aesthetically. Cheap ain't never good and you can guarantee that sooner rather than later it will bite you on the butt. What you finish with ain't gonna look anything like what you started with.
No disrespect intended, just trying to save you a ton of heartache and money....)
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In order to gain equity this structure would need to be integrated into your house. If you tack on a rectangle with a flat roof you will do the opposite.
As for cooling with the hot tub, I would think the hot tub would be turned off in the warm weather unless you plan to use it in July and August.
As previously stated, the framing of this structure, particularly integrating the new roof into the existing structure, takes a ceretain skill set to do in a timely manner. Exposing the houses sheathing while you figure out angles and methodology of the cuts could be problematic, if not moist. Framing a hip roof, with your experience, will be a challange. No matter how "easy" it looks.
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If you've done plenty of previous work then I'm not so worried....
Ron is right, integration is utmost, running a flat roof from the existing pitch you have would make it looked look like you just tacked a shed or lean-to on the house.
A compressed panel roof (sunroom style) will probably be more expensive than a pitch roof, a rubber roof would be comparable in price to a pitched, remember, you still have to install considerable materials for a flat roof as you would a pitched. With the small difference in price I'd be building the roof to match your existing.
I wouldn't recommend a flat roof to one of my customers if they had a situation similar to yours. There's times that you would have no choice but a flat roof, you have a choice so go with the better look of the pitch.
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If you've done plenty of previous work then I'm not so worried....
Ron is right, integration is utmost, running a flat roof from the existing pitch you have would make it looked look like you just tacked a shed or lean-to on the house.
A compressed panel roof (sunroom style) will probably be more expensive than a pitch roof, a rubber roof would be comparable in price to a pitched, remember, you still have to install considerable materials for a flat roof as you would a pitched. With the small difference in price I'd be building the roof to match your existing.
I wouldn't recommend a flat roof to one of my customers if they had a situation similar to yours. There's times that you would have no choice but a flat roof, you have a choice so go with the better look of the pitch.
Good deal, I think I will take your advise and get someone else to do the roof that knows how to do a pitch roof. Good thing about it all the labor prices are down because no one has the extra money to get work done. I am more than comfortable with everything else.
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am I going to need to get a GC or a roofer?? ** stupid question **
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Around here you would get a framing contractor or a regular contractor. A GC would coordinate the various aspects and subs on the site. You seem to be doing that.
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Good deal, I think I will take your advise and get someone else to do the roof that knows how to do a pitch roof. .
Good choice. When the roof is up, I think you'll be happy you went this direction. And as mentioned, you'll have an investment that will grow instead of possibly diminishing the value or appearance of the house. Plan it all out though. Hold off the concrete pour until you know for sure what the final plan is. Good luck.
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Ron's right, a framing or general contractor could do this easy and usually at a good price if you go with a small and capable business.. If you're doing the rest then your extra outlay is only in the roof area, at least three of us agree that you will be much happier with this finished product than doing it any other way. For that little extra your addition will tie in nicely with the house, aesthetically it's a much better look, financially down the road, the return is far greater by spending a little more now.
Good move and good luck.
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Ron's right, a framing or general contractor could do this easy and usually at a good price if you go with a small and capable business.. If you're doing the rest then your extra outlay is only in the roof area, at least three of us agree that you will be much happier with this finished product than doing it any other way. For that little extra your addition will tie in nicely with the house, aesthetically it's a much better look, financially down the road, the return is far greater by spending a little more now.
Good move and good luck.
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This is why I came here to ask. I knew I didn't know what I was doing when it came to roofing so I had to ask. I appreciate your time, one GC just left. I told him I would buy all the materials and deliver them to my house. I got a 20% off coupon at lowes up to $5,000 so I think it will be beneficial to use. He agreed and said he would price everything with his contractor discount and give me a list of materials to price.. whoever wins.
I asked him to go ahead and give me three prices. Just ROOF, Studded and then one with the RS 11 board on the outside. All the contractors I have talked to are out here within an hour or two and really seem to want the job. I made the comment "You guys sure have been getting out here fast, not much work right now huh?" they all said this time of the year is real slow, plus everyone country wide is short on cash.

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