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Freakaloin 12-13-2012 11:06 AM

Framing wall...how straight do 2x4's need to be?
 
Most of the 2x4's I have for an exterior wall I'm constructing are slightly bowed. Also, the boards i'm using for the top and bottom plates are slightly twisted. Can they be a little off or do they need to be close to perfect? Will the boards straighten out when nailed together or should I get new lumber? Thanks

Trucon01 12-13-2012 11:26 AM

To start...

When buying lumber, you should always look down the length to make sure it isn't warped / twisted too bad.

When you get the lumber at home, ALWAYS crown every piece and mark them accordingly. Make sure your 'C' is always facing the inside of the room.

Your top and bottom plates should always be your straightest pieces. FYI -- Bottom plate should be PT 2x4 or regular 2x4 with sill foam underneath.

Thats what I followed when I started framing my basement...

Freakaloin 12-13-2012 11:35 AM

So any twist in bottom and top plates is unacceptable?

joecaption 12-13-2012 11:38 AM

The top and bottom plates are the most important, if there off the wall will follow the curve.

Trucon01 12-13-2012 11:43 AM

From the sounds of it, you got your lumber from the cull pile?? :no:

Freakaloin 12-13-2012 11:45 AM

So I'll definitely replace those boards. Can I get away with slightly bowed studs? I used the straightest 2x4's around door so it's just the studs which will make up the basic wall.

Freakaloin 12-13-2012 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trucon01 (Post 1072349)
From the sounds of it, you got your lumber from the cull pile?? :no:

Lol no I made the mistake of letting my wife pick em up at Home Depot. Ooops!

hammerlane 12-13-2012 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freakaloin (Post 1072333)
Most of the 2x4's I have for an exterior wall I'm constructing are slightly bowed. Also, the boards i'm using for the top and bottom plates are slightly twisted. Can they be a little off or do they need to be close to perfect? Will the boards straighten out when nailed together or should I get new lumber? Thanks


Theory on crowns facing out:
The crown should face the inactive side of the wall. If you are building an exterior wall, the crowns should face toward the outside...which would be the inactive side...since inside you may be hanging cabinets(inside in this case is the active side of the wall).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lSJ4Mwr-Uw



Theory on crowns facing in from the Journal of Light Construction:
I've framed several houses with 2-story balloon-framed exterior walls. On one such house, three 16' tall walls formed the living room. I selected studs with very little crown, and crowned them out, but when I was later installing the ceiling joists over these walls, I noticed the studs had all developed much greater crowns than they had when the wall was built. I wondered why.

On another occasion, a fellow framer stopped by my job, and while he was talking to me, he flipped over the 2x12's on the top of the pile, noticing they were starting to cup. This would let the other side dry out, of course.

The proverbial light bulb turned on! The 2x's were exposed to the air/sun on three sides, so those faces dried out and pulled together. The bottom face remained moist, due to its contact with the board under it. I reasoned that the same thing was happening with the studs. The edge of the stud attached to the sheathing was not drying as much as the rest of the stud. As the exposed parts of the stud dried out, those wood fibers pulled together, resulting in a "cup" along its length, thereby increasing its crown! Atleast that was my theory.

I tested my idea on the next house which had a 19' tall balloon wall at the entry. Crowns in, not out. When I got on top to set the joists, that wall's studs were practically perfect!

I now frame all my exterior walls this way, still checking the studs' crowns after the wall has been up for awhile, and most all of them straighten out, or atleast end up with less crowns. The balloon walls still end up nice and straight!

Tom

Trucon01 12-13-2012 11:51 AM

Man card may be getting pulled... The wife picks up the wood?? Thats half the fun!!!

:)

Freakaloin 12-13-2012 11:54 AM

This is a car port conversion. It's was already partially converted when we moved in. The front has two sliding glass doors. For some reason the inside of the carport has hardiboard so I'm gonna put hardi on exterior and interior walls. If that changes anything...

Freakaloin 12-13-2012 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trucon01 (Post 1072358)
Man card may be getting pulled... The wife picks up the wood?? Thats half the fun!!!

:)


Lol I lose...

Freakaloin 12-13-2012 12:33 PM

heres what i'm talking about. i don't think it's that bad? these are bottom and top plates. i really don't want to drive 30 minutes to the store if not needed...
http://imageshack.us/a/img822/6498/imagecci.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img9/5431/imageqps.jpg

kwikfishron 12-13-2012 02:17 PM

There’s nothing wrong with those boards. You should have no problem straighten them out as you fasten them.

Freakaloin 12-13-2012 02:34 PM

awesome! that's what i wanted to hear...thx"

carpdad 12-13-2012 03:13 PM

Top and bottom plates should be straight and even as possible. Wall framed with warped lumber can not be checked for square with accuracy. This is when wall is framed on deck.

Bottom plate must be nailed to the string line, so some warp and crown can be corrected.

Top plate must be checked against stringline and braced before anything goes on top.

It makes work easier to use the best pieces. Your lumber looks fine, but I would make sure the wall is square before sheathing it.


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