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yummy mummy 01-08-2007 08:10 PM

framing around a window?
I have come across my first window to frame around, and it goes right up to the floor joist.

Do I just put in a top plate as usual and a bottom plate as usual, and then create the window sill and continue?


AtlanticWBConst. 01-09-2007 05:34 AM


Originally Posted by yummy mummy (Post 29409)
I have come across my first window to frame around, and it goes right up to the floor joist.

Do I just put in a top plate as usual and a bottom plate as usual, and then create the window sill and continue?


By the sounds of it, I don't believe you have the space for a top plate, because it will block the top of the window. You may want to run it there (past the window) and then cut it out with a recipricating saw, once the rest of your wall is framed. That way you gain as much space up to the top of the window as possible.

Yummy, My question would then be: What kind of ceiling are you planning to install...acoustic or sheetrock?

yummy mummy 01-09-2007 08:21 AM

I plan on putting sheetrock.

There is approx. 4 inches of the alluminum part of the window before the glass starts.
Would this give me enough room for a top plate?

(I just put in the top plate last night, but I can remove it, as it is screwed in.)

Thanks Atlantic

KUIPORNG 01-09-2007 10:20 AM

if your situation is similar to mine which have small window above grade and the top of the window is kind of above the ceiling of the basement ,for that there is no top plate to the ceiling in the window's width... the top plate is really under the window... and they call it somthing like silk...etc... as you don't put stud to block the window, so the top plate stop at where the stud stop which is just below the window... you need to buid a H shape frame around the window...

yummy mummy 01-09-2007 10:54 AM

Thanks for your information kui****g.
My window sounds like yours.

So if there is no top plate, then when I drywall the ceiling, would I bring the drywall right up against the aluminum part of the window?

I can remove my top plate as it is screwed in, no problem, and then I will built the H shape, like my book shows me.


#CARRIERMAN 01-09-2007 11:51 AM

Hi yummy mummy

I generally don't get invloved in stuff I am not used to doing. But I didn't want you to make the mistake that I have seen made. If you butt your sheetrock against an aluminum window, when the window sweats it will wick into your sheetrock. This causes a continuous dark spot in the sheetrock. Like I said, I am no pro at this, I have just had the fortune of hearing about this problem.

Good luck

KUIPORNG 01-09-2007 12:08 PM

I think Carrierman have a point to that... the solution is to put in a J-shield protection on the sheetrock which butt against the aluminium window..., in my case, I am not a perfectionist, I didn't do that, but thought of doing so, but didn't bother, as there is generally small gap between the alliumium window and the drywall and it is so up in the ceiling, I don't bother doing it... also, although you don't have top plate, you need to put some wood beam on the ceiling structure(in front of the window) in order to screw sheetrock , you don't screw sheet rock directly over the OSB board, you can simply attach 2x2 wood against the adjicient joist to form backing for the sheetrock on the ceiling...

also now that I gaining experience on mudding drywall... I feel like the king of the house again... seeing sheetrock damage... no fear... I could fix them no problem...

yummy mummy 01-09-2007 01:42 PM

Carrierman, I really appreciate your input on this as I really don't have much experience in this, actually, no experience, just a lot of determination.

yummy mummy 01-09-2007 01:43 PM

What is J shield protection?

What else can I do to this window?

KUIPORNG 01-09-2007 01:58 PM

J shield protection, is a metal strip which for a J shape if you look at it from top to down which is clamp to drywall, it is used in drywall when drywall meeting different type of materials... I used it in a few places... it is very nice/professional look when done,... it is extremely easy to install, just cut the metal strip in length and put on the drywall, no screw...or anything.. you can put adhesive if you want but I didn't ... and not really need to... they are selling at HD together with corner bead... and you don't need to worry about it now as you are still framing, you need them when you start hanging drywalls...

yummy mummy 01-09-2007 04:11 PM

So, if I use this J shield, then would I be able to then just drywal to the aluminum part of the window?

So I should not put a top plate on right now?

Only the H Shape to frame the window?


AtlanticWBConst. 01-09-2007 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by yummy mummy (Post 29483)
So, if I use this J shield, then would I be able to then just drywal to the aluminum part of the window?

So I should not put a top plate on right now?

Only the H Shape to frame the window?


Sorry, I didn't get back to you sooner, work and all....

It's called J-channel. Get the plastic one for 1/2" sheetrock .... It is white plastic and comes in 10 foot lengths. It is slid over the end of the sheetrock. It is used where sheetrock comes in contact with another non-sheetrock/drywalled surface. It creates a clean finished look. It is cut with snips to desired lengths.
You could use these where the sheetrock butts into the windows. Over the years, we have used it for such an application many, many times without any problems.

I would suggest that you allow the wall's top plate to run in front of the window as you build your wall. Don't nail in the top plate in that area in front of the window. Once your wall is firmly in place (fully framed) and your area is framed for the window too, go back and cut it out cleanly with a recipricating saw (if you have one).

If this sounds too difficult, just don't put a plate there (window)...and continue the top plate.... after the window opening. It's just that the other way is quicker and your wall will definitely be straight.

yummy mummy 01-09-2007 07:09 PM

Thanks for getting back to me, I appreciate it.

Your explanations are so very clear and concise and easy to understand. You're wonderful!
You must be very successful at what you do.

Thanks for the information about the J channel. When the time comes I will use it against my windows. I have three of them in the basement.

Ok, here I go down to the basement and will remove my top plate and cut out where the window is and put it back up.
(I don't have one of those fancy saws (reciprocating?), and all I need to do now is tell hubby that I want another tool. Everytime I go out and buy tools, I think I become less "yummy". :wink:

KUIPORNG 01-10-2007 08:29 AM

Now, AtlanticWBConst tempt me to uninstall my pieces of drywalls oround the window to put in those plastic J channel... I didn't know they have plastic... but sure it will looks nicer with plastic....

yummy mummy 01-10-2007 01:03 PM

They sound like a good idea.

Kui****g, did you end up insulating your heating ducts. I started to do it. But it is really a lot of work.
I was wondering if you heard of anything else that would insulate them, without all the work of the shiny insulation, and then taping it, etc.

By the way, do you have to insulate the return air duct, or just the one that provides the heat?

I saw on a web site, that they used "mastic" which looked like a product that you put on with a brush like paint, and then they put tape in the joints.

Have you ever heard of that?

I think it would be easier.

What do you think?

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