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Paul58 04-05-2006 12:01 PM

Are fascia boards rough carpentry?
 
I entered into a contract for "rough framing" on a house addition. The contractor gave me a change order for the installation of the fascia and rake boards and T&G sheathing on the roof as it was shown on the drawings. My contention is that this is part of rough framing. Who is right?

bob the builder 04-05-2006 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul58
I entered into a contract for "rough framing" on a house addition. The contractor gave me a change order for the installation of the fascia and rake boards and T&G sheathing on the roof as it was shown on the drawings. My contention is that this is part of rough framing. Who is right?

I would say that sure sounds like rough framing. I'm a little confused as to what your getting at with the change order bit. Are you wondering if you shouldn't have to do this work? Either way the framers take care of the work...

Bob

Bonus 04-05-2006 10:51 PM

There are two fascias: Rough and finish. Likewise two Barge (or rake) boards. If I was contracted to do the 'rough framing' I would assume that did not mean the finish fascia or barge, but did include the roughs. As for the roof sheathing, it could go either way and should have been clarified up front. Just because something is on the plans doesn't mean the contractor is obliged to install it. This is what the contract should have specified.

Darylh 04-09-2006 10:09 AM

[quote=Bonus]There are two fascias: Rough and finish. Likewise two Barge (or rake) boards.
You got me a little curious, I have only seen one barge and one facia.

Darylh 04-09-2006 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul58
I entered into a contract for "rough framing" on a house addition. The contractor gave me a change order for the installation of the fascia and rake boards and T&G sheathing on the roof as it was shown on the drawings. My contention is that this is part of rough framing. Who is

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right?



Normaly what I have done and seen is the barge boards where part of the framing as well as the roof sheating but it might be that he got his info wrong and never charged you for it so that is why his has put a change order in. Best to have a sit down with him on a nice friendly basis and find out whats up.

bob the builder 04-09-2006 11:57 AM

[quote=Darylh]
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Originally Posted by Bonus
There are two fascias: Rough and finish. Likewise two Barge (or rake) boards.

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Originally Posted by Bonus
You got me a little curious, I have only seen one barge and one facia.

Aluminim would be the finish covering up construction lumber...

Bob

Bonus 04-09-2006 08:50 PM

Quote: " You got me a little curious, I have only seen one barge and one facia."


The rough barge (up the gable) or fascia (horizontal) is part of the structure of the building; it supports the edge of the plywood sheathing and the soffit underneath for instance. The finish barge and fascia might be aluminum as Bob says or, in my (our) neck of the woods, often cedar 1xsomething and is purely aesthetic.

Darylh 04-10-2006 09:08 AM

[quote=Bonus]Quote: " You got me a little curious, I have only seen one barge and one facia."


The rough barge (up the gable) or fascia (horizontal) is part of the structure of the building; it supports the edge of the plywood sheathing and the soffit underneath for instance. The finish barge and fascia might be aluminum as Bob says or, in my (our) neck of the woods, often cedar 1xsomething and is purely aesthetic.[/quote]
Got hung up the termanolgy.thought I was losing it a little more than normal.

Busted Knuckle 04-14-2006 11:10 PM

I am a home builder and general contractor in VA. The framers in my area do not install the facia, this is not part of the rough framing. The siding company is the one that would install the facia. As you stated you wanted the rough framing, this is more detail work, and you may not want a rough framer to install the facia. As for the roof sheathing, if you are refering to the plywood under the shingles, then yes this should be part of the rough framing. This is not usually T&G, around here anyway.

crecore 04-18-2006 12:09 PM

I believe it could go either way depending on the plans. Some roof systems rely on a rough fascia to support the roof system... ie: stick built 4' o.c. for metal roofing. But, if the overhang is not huge remember that the truss or ceiling joist is tied to the top of the wall and the top cord of the truss or joist is tied to the roof sheathing. There's not a whole lot of room for twisting here. In some cases a finish fascia will provide plenty of structure and therefor is not part of rough framing.

I personally like a rough fascia as part of the roof system for several reasons... this helps the roof system from moving, provides a nice backer for a thin outer soffit strips so then vents can go in the proper position, and helps resist wind in the building prior to finish fascia work. This really should be planned ahead so that the gable overhang can match the rest and wont be offset by the thickness of the rough fascia (not that anyone but the builder would notice :)

I have also seen this slip through the cracks in building and inspection when roof systems are changed on the fly from say stick built prints to engineered trusses.

Quite frankly this is one of the many little details that the owner builder gets in trouble with by not knowing enough to ask in the beginning. Choose your battles with your framer, there's usually room for give and take. Good luck.

KenTheHandyMan 04-19-2006 10:18 PM

If it is the rough fascia, like Bonus is speaking of, it should be included. The rough fascia will be a 2x material. I've never seen a framer put up a house without putting this on.

If what he is putting up is the final, finished, never to be changed product, it is finish fascia and is not part of the framing. Again, could be aluminum or could by 1x.


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