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Old 09-21-2012, 10:57 PM   #16
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Yes, OP could use some metal flashing there, better buy more though; to use along the treads/risers touching the concrete (moisture sponge) as the siding dumps the water on it. The end grain is unprotected against moisture and will wick it up. Should have been an air gap to dry any framing as Joe said, and makes for easy siding.

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Old 09-24-2012, 09:01 AM   #17
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Hi all, thanks for all the suggestions. I'm a bit overwhelmed by some of them, though.

Unfortunately removing/rebuilding the stairs is beyond my current skill level, and I don't have the extra money right now (which is why I called in a favor with my friend here).

I understand just adding flashing isn't the most elegant fix, but will it still give me the same protection? Can you give me any more details? I'm still really, really new at all this.

Thanks for your help (and patience).
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I understand just adding flashing isn't the most elegant fix, but will it still give me the same protection

Look...for now just do what you can to stop any water from coming into contact with that exposed wood.

Take a bucket of water and or hose and spray water down like rain and watch what it does.

become the water.
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:46 PM   #19
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Google; vinyl siding removal, unhook the double bottom course, pull the top nails, notice they are not set tight but allow the siding to "hang" on the wall; http://www.abtco.com/kp_abtco/docs/A...tructions_.pdf

Buy some Grace Vycor window wrap flashing, layer, from the bottom up, the flashing- with a bit onto the steps and as that next overlapping (1") layer covers the one below it. Unzip the end of the next double siding piece, only over the steps- leave the rest on the wall- it bends, very flexible- Google "vinyl siding replace" their are many videos... temporary fix.

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Old 09-25-2012, 05:53 AM   #20
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Following GBR's advice, try to pick a nice sunny day so it's easier to work with that vinyl siding

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Hey guys, thanks again for all the suggestions. I talked to my friend and he said we could put some "ice and water shield" over the exposed wood. Is that enough on its own, or should I still put some kind of flashing over that? I'm not even sure what ice and water shield is
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You know, I just thought of another option. I may have an extra piece or two of that vinyl siding in the basement - the previous owner left a few extra pieces of siding, flooring, tiles, etc. Assuming I had some, would I just need to cut it to fit the new (smaller) tread size and replace the J channel? Is that a better fix (short of rebuilding the stairs)?
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Hey guys, thanks again for all the suggestions. I talked to my friend and he said we could put some "ice and water shield" over the exposed wood. Is that enough on its own, or should I still put some kind of flashing over that? I'm not even sure what ice and water shield is
I think the key is to have that flashing be taller than your existing j-channel, and is sandwiched between your exposed plywood and stairs.

Also make sure it extends below the line where the plywood and concrete meets

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I think the key is to have that flashing be taller than your existing j-channel, and is sandwiched between your exposed plywood and stairs.
I agree. I found the below in my files. I was looking at proper flashing when I built a set of stairs for new patio and came across this article from FEMA.org
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Hey guys, I have an update. I talked to my friend and he came over and helped me fix the tread depth on that top stair. We also put some ice and water shield behind it, though there isn't really anything exposed now. Does this look better?



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Better? Yes.
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Better? Yes.
I'm sensing a "But..." here. What's on your mind?
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How far up and to the sides does the flashing or Vycor or whatever go?

Also Joint of J channel could be neater.

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Do you have access to the other side, maybe a basement or crawl space?

If yes, take an awl and prod along the rim joist and look for water stains.

Your decking on top seems to butt right up against whatever is underneath the j-channel and if there is no flashing (like the wall next to your steps), you will have rot problems in the future.

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The other side is my garage. I made a quick and dirty diagram to illustrate what's there - it's like a cross section.
I'm not sure how far up and to the sides the ice&water shield goes, and I am planning on fixing the J channel once I figure out how.

Hope this diagram is clear enough:


Thanks again! I love learning as much as I can from you all.

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