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Old 09-18-2008, 06:27 AM   #16
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Hi Bob- I can't understand how it wouldn't... if I'm not mistaken, it would have over 6 square feet of free exit space when opened, and the minimum is 5.7. It would be 35 inches high, and the minimum is 24. And it would be 25 inches wide, and the minimum is 20. I'm not sure how that doesn't qualify...? (I mean, I can understand if Pella doesn't advertise it as a standard egress, but it still meets the dimensions set by code).

The reason for that dimension and window type in particular is that we have a very exact space to work with. There are 50 inches of exposed concrete on the outside of the foundation (Height from the grass to where the concrete meets the ceiling joists on the interior wall of the basement) We plan to work in that space so that a window well is not necessary. We also have to leave 12 inches of concrete between the top of the concrete wall and the top of the window cut. (obviously, the bigger the cut, the higher the estimate, so instead of cutting from the top of the concrete down, we are leaving enough space so that those 12 inches can support themselves. (The house in supported by some sort of horizontal reinforcement bar, so we've been told by several masons that cutting into this type of setup will not effect the integrity of the house structure). Since the window can't be more than 44 inches off the ground per code,we are working with the space between that top cut and the 44 inch mark.

Sorry for such a long response, but I wanted to make the situation as clear as possible for you in case I am missing something. I obviously don't want to end up with an egress that doesn't pass code. Thanks again

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Old 09-18-2008, 08:34 AM   #17
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Keep in mind that the there are at least 3 requirements to be acceptable and all must be met. This applies to the window whwn it is opened, not the hole you make in a wall to install it.

1. Minimum width.
2. Minimum height.
3. Open area.

If you exceed the minimum height and width, you still have to have enough area to get through, so one or both of the dimensions will have to be exceeded to allow the person to twist and turn to get in or out.

Kids can get out IF the sill is low enough, but you must also be able the get a fireman (with an air tank) in to fight a fire and make rescues. It has been determined that 5.7 sf is adequate if you twist emough.

The code is not written to be easy for your structure or site, but for life safety.

If your manufacturer does not say it is legal, you will have a difficult proving it with a tape measure and a couple of "what ifs" after it is in and the inspector is there.

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Ok, I understand. Could someone tell me how to find out which are and aren't? I understand the dimensions, but the window I chose does meet and exceed those dimensions... so now I don't know what to go on. Bob, how were you able to find out that Pella didn't consider that an egress window? I looked at the site and couldn't find any type of reference material. Thanks again
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How about this one? I just talked to another mason who said sliders were fine too. Would something like this work if the glass was easily removabale without tools? Or not. I really do appreciate all this help. THanks
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...459&lpage=none
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Or this one- because the height would be 36 and the width would be 24? (and the open square footage would be 6)
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...832&lpage=none
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Just find a window that is advertised/certified to meet the egress requirements. This provides you with the certification for the inspector and eliminates the nit-picking measurement after it is installed. This should not be too hard since it is done daily everywhere to meet the national standards. If the manufacturer will not rate it, don't buy it.

Then just have it installed with the bottom of the opening at the maximum height from the floor to meet the local requirements. Code people will do everything possible to avoid the time and problems of addressing something that is already installed if you personally talk to them, so they gladly give requirements and suggestions.

No one is going to change the requirements just because of how your wall is built.

Certainly, the last person to ask about which egress window to buy is a mason contractor.
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Ok, thank you much! Now, I'm sure this question is dumb, but I'm really having trouble figuring out how to determine where on a website the manufacturer discusses egress compliancy. I hoped to buy the window at a place like Lowes... if at all possible I need to avoid having to special order something in the interest of time. Would the consultant at Lowe's be able to tell me what worked and what didn't?
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Ok, I understand. Could someone tell me how to find out which are and aren't? I understand the dimensions, but the window I chose does meet and exceed those dimensions... so now I don't know what to go on. Bob, how were you able to find out that Pella didn't consider that an egress window? I looked at the site and couldn't find any type of reference material. Thanks again
Sorry for the long delay, The motor went on one of the work trucks. If you go to the pella web site there you will find which window meets the Egress requirements. I believe they are marked with an E .


Ok read your last post try this link scroll down to the Egress Notes, This will answer all your questions . BOBhttp://web.pella.com/products/SizesD...line_sizes.pdf

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You guys are an enormous help, thank you. I'll go find one with the information you've given me and stop back just to be doubly sure. Thanks again! Mary
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Ok, I'm understanding the Pella product index as far as egress markings, however I'm having trouble finding the same kind of marking system on Anderson. Could anyone tell me if this is a code-compliant Anderson casement: CW15L
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Ok, I'm understanding the Pella product index as far as egress markings, however I'm having trouble finding the same kind of marking system on Anderson. Could anyone tell me if this is a code-compliant Anderson casement: CW15L
No! Anderson uses the letter X for there Egress Windows here is there link http://www.andersenwindows.com/_PDFs...ent_Awning.pdf
Hpoe this helps BOB
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No! Anderson uses the letter X for there Egress

I'm sorry if I'm asking questions with seemingly simple answers, I'm really just trying to learn the ropes. Honestly, if this is a forum ahead of my experience, I understand... just let me know. I definitely do not want to frustrate anybody with my 'novice-ness' lol. Thanks for the anderson 'x' advice. I'll look further into the site. Thanks, Mary
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No! Anderson uses the letter X for there Egress

I'm sorry if I'm asking questions with seemingly simple answers, I'm really just trying to learn the ropes. Honestly, if this is a forum ahead of my experience, I understand... just let me know. I definitely do not want to frustrate anybody with my 'novice-ness' lol. Thanks for the anderson 'x' advice. I'll look further into the site. Thanks, Mary
Not a problem! where here to help. try the link in the above post. It will help you understand. BOB
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I would just like to say here, that my building plans were plan-checked twice, I double-checked with the bldng. inspector and the window company about the size of the window, had it installed, trimmed and sided and now another bldng. inspector says it doesn't meet egress. The window company is sorry (but they will give me a new window), everyone is sorry but it is going to be an expensive & painful re-install.
Moral of story: be damn sure you have it right before you put it in

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