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Old 03-13-2012, 09:29 AM   #1
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I am considering buying this duplex. this building was built in 1910-1920, which is the norme in here up Canada. it is semi-detached two storey duplex. Frontage is about 21ft, depth is about35ft.

the detatched side wall, about 35ft long, has leaned out a lot. you can see in the pictures below, both floor shows clear angled side wall, about almost 8-10 in. of difference between the bottom of the wall and the top of the wall on one floor.

There is no apparent cracks in side of the units, of course probably patched over in the past. Floors on both storey seem horizontal. Outside brick walls does have some slight crack around front doors. The outside brick wall on the leaning part was built to be straight, not sure what the method or philosophy or intent...

Roof is leaking for maybe a year...

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What is the source of the leaning wall? How much does it take to stop it or correct it?

I have read some similar posts in the forum, but all others are one storey and slight lean outwards. My problem seems a lot bigger ... or not?

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We need more pictures.

Outside showing the wall

Basement showing same wall

Then we will speculate....

What does the RE agent say?

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outside wall was recently redone,, not professionally redone, i don;t think. I will try to get a pic of the wall.

Basement is service basement, which means there is only maybe 2ft of height at most basement areas.

this is a repo. RE agent has nothing to tell me.

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I have seen better looking walls in horror movies. Usually there is an alien hiding there. And you want to buy this place because........

If it were me, I would RUN RUN RUN in the immortal words of the casino owner in Oceans Eleven. Unless that camera angle is from the funhouse, you have major structural issues, which can only be diagnosed by a professional structural engineer or equivalent after a thorough, hands on site investigation.
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I have seen better looking walls in horror movies. Usually there is an alien hiding there. And you want to buy this place because........

If it were me, I would RUN RUN RUN in the immortal words of the casino owner in Oceans Eleven. Unless that camera angle is from the funhouse, you have major structural issues, which can only be diagnosed by a professional structural engineer or equivalent after a thorough, hands on site investigation.

In case you didn't understand what Daniel said....

RUN

Ever see the movie "The Money Pit"? This looks like one....
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That makes the back wall of my cottage look plumb. It's only about 6 inches out of plumb in 2 storeys.
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That makes the back wall of my cottage look plumb. It's only about 6 inches out of plumb in 2 storeys.
Other than making it look plumb, was there other structure issues that you needed to address?

What was the cause of the lean of your wall? I guess only knowing causes will allow us to predict future movement...
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It's quite common for old cottages round here to have leaning walls. The foundations were not very deep, but the walls are 20 inch solid stone built in lime mortar which allows for movement better than cement mortar. If they get really bad you can stick tie rods through them.
I havn't done any work to correct the structure as it's been standing for over 400 years so it should last a few more.
What's the construction of your walls? Brick veneer and timber inner walls?
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Based on local norms, a building from 1910-1920 should have Brick veneer/brick outer wall and timber/stacked log inner walls.

it is about a 100 yrs movement, not 400.
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There are a number of things that can make a wall lean out. Foundation problems are one thing, but sometimes people cut out timbers in the roof structure which causes it to spread and push the walls out.
A general rule of thumb here for masonry walls is the middle third rule. If the wall leans more than 1/3 of it's thickness either way it needs to come down and be rebuilt.
Whether to buy or not really depends on the price, how much the remedial work costs and what the place will be worth when the work is done. The old saying with houses is to buy the worst house in the best street, not the best house in the worst street. The 3 most important things in a house's value in order of importance are location, location and location.
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Thanks stuart45, Your analysis gave me some solid references.

Looks like this is a rebuild job. curious how it is standing for so long...

I am on the position of backing out this deal now...

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Thanks stuart45, Your analysis gave me some solid references.

Looks like this is a rebuild job. curious how it is standing for so long...

I am on the position of backing out this deal now...
Then our work is done.....

On a side note....my wife is from England....I have been in some really old houses over there....none of them leaned like that.

My gut feeling is that the front was done like that to hide the problem.
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On a side note....my wife is from England....I have been in some really old houses over there....none of them leaned like that.
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You never had a drink in here then ddawg16?
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Lord knows I've killed enough brain cells over there.....especially this one little hotel in Hurst Green up near Preston...Solmsberry Inn...corner stone said 1462

edit....now I see the pic.....sure that is not an alcohol induced lean to the camera shot?
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edit....now I see the pic.....sure that is not an alcohol induced lean to the camera shot?
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