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hubbard 06-05-2011 10:05 AM

Double Keyed Deadbolt Lock stuck in locked position
 
Help, I have a double keyed deadbolt lock on my back door and it won't open. I have the key and when I turn it, it just clicks and doesn't move the bolt. It feels as though it is not even moving the bolt across anymore, like something has broken inside. I can turn the key which slides a plate and give me access to the two screws holding the lock to the door. My question is this: once I do this, will I be able to physically move the bolt out of it's female counterpart in the door frame?

rossfingal 06-05-2011 10:20 AM

Post a picture of the door and lock.
Do you know the manufacturer.
Was the door/lock recently installed.
Did you try to unlock it from the inside or outside?

rossfingal

hubbard 06-05-2011 03:15 PM

Lock stuck in locked position
 
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Tried from both inside and outside. Lock is at least 15 years old, bears no manufacturers name. Have attempted to attach photo. It looks the same on both sides, is circular, one side has two circles which when key is inserted into lock and turned shifts a plate to reveal two screws.

The photo shows an open door but this is the same lock on a different door.

oh'mike 06-05-2011 03:23 PM

If you can remove the locks--yes you should be able to work the bolt out manually.

---Mike----

P.S. double locks are illegal for use in residential property.

kwikfishron 06-05-2011 03:33 PM

You should replace this lock anyway. A double keyed lock on an exterior door isn’t legal or safe.

Wiscbldr 06-06-2011 09:54 AM

If you have access to the two bolts, you should be able to unscrew that side, then push out the other side, revealing the sliding mechanism. You should then be able to unscrew the bolts at the side to allow the slide out of the dead bolt. And yes, replace the entire lock setup.

Ron6519 06-06-2011 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwikfishron (Post 661644)
You should replace this lock anyway. A double keyed lock on an exterior door isnít legal or safe.

Since when are double keyed locks illegal for residential use?
Is this a state law where you live or is it in a building code somewhere?

kwikfishron 06-06-2011 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron6519 (Post 662054)
Since when are double keyed locks illegal for residential use?
Is this a state law where you live or is it in a building code somewhere?

311.4.4 Type of lock or latch.
"All egress doors shall be readily openable from the side from which egress is to be made without the use of a key or special knowledge or effort."

This has been code anyplace I’ve lived or worked.

Maintenance 6 06-06-2011 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwikfishron (Post 662109)
311.4.4 Type of lock or latch.
"All egress doors shall be readily openable from the side from which egress is to be made without the use of a key or special knowledge or effort."

This has been code anyplace Iíve lived or worked.

Please provide the code this was quoted from and the version/year.
Not all municipalities may have adopted this. It may also not apply to the OP who may be grandfathered being in an older residence.
Thanks.

kwikfishron 06-06-2011 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maintenance 6 (Post 662158)
Please provide the code this was quoted from and the version/year.
Not all municipalities may have adopted this. It may also not apply to the OP who may be grandfathered being in an older residence.
Thanks.

Many states have adopted this from 2006 IRC.
http://www.staircraft.com/R311&R312%...2006%20IRC.pdf

Whether in yours or the OP’s location it’s code or not, grandfathered or not a dbl lock on a exit door is not a good idea.

Ron6519 06-06-2011 05:39 PM

These double cylinder deadbolts are recommended for any door that has glass within reach of the knob.
They're sold in every hardware, lumber and big box store I've ever entered in NY.
The police recommend them when they do security checks on houses.
I've done additions with these installed and not one inspector has ever said anything.
Are they ill advised do to the possibility of restrictive egress, probably.
If they're banned all over, why are they sold(all over)?
Just playing the Devil's Advocate.

daveplot 06-06-2011 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron6519 (Post 662252)
These double cylinder deadbolts are recommended for any door that has glass within reach of the knob.
They're sold in every hardware, lumber and big box store I've ever entered in NY.
The police recommend them when they do security checks on houses.
I've done additions with these installed and not one inspector has ever said anything.
Are they ill advised do to the possibility of restrictive egress, probably.
If they're banned all over, why are they sold(all over)?
Just playing the Devil's Advocate.

Another Devil's Advocate.... I have Schlage double cylinder deadbolts on all my exterior doors that have glass within reach of the lock. They can be picked up at any hardware store in Maryland. They're even listed on Schlage's website. And again here a handleset here with double cylinder deadbolt. There is a egress issue in the event of a fire, which can be solved by having a key nearby the door at all times (example in a drawer next to the front door).

In fact here in Maryland, in a commercial office, the Fire Marshall requires a double cylinder deadbolt. The deadbolt must be unlocked while the business is open. The key inside is required so any customer can't just lock the deadbolt. I personally verified this with our Fire Marshall.

To the OP, he should be able to remove the deadbolt by removing the two screws, which will allow the two halfs of the deadbolt to be removed. Then the bolt can be removed.

kwikfishron 06-06-2011 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveplot (Post 662268)
Another Devil's Advocate.... I have Schlage double cylinder deadbolts on all my exterior doors that have glass within reach of the lock. They can be picked up at any hardware store in Maryland. They're even listed on Schlage's website. And again here a handleset here with double cylinder deadbolt. There is a egress issue in the event of a fire, which can be solved by having a key nearby the door at all times (example in a drawer next to the front door).

In fact here in Maryland, in a commercial office, the Fire Marshall requires a double cylinder deadbolt. The deadbolt must be unlocked while the business is open. The key inside is required so any customer can't just lock the deadbolt. I personally verified this with our Fire Marshall.

Commercial is a whole different issue.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron6519 (Post 662252)
The police recommend them when they do security checks on houses

Iím glad I donít live in NY.

oh'mike 06-06-2011 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveplot (Post 662268)
Another Devil's Advocate.... I have Schlage double cylinder deadbolts on all my exterior doors that have glass within reach of the lock. They can be picked up at any hardware store in Maryland. They're even listed on Schlage's website. And again here a handleset here with double cylinder deadbolt. There is a egress issue in the event of a fire, which can be solved by having a key nearby the door at all times (example in a drawer next to the front door).

In fact here in Maryland, in a commercial office, the Fire Marshall requires a double cylinder deadbolt. The deadbolt must be unlocked while the business is open. The key inside is required so any customer can't just lock the deadbolt. I personally verified this with our Fire Marshall.

To the OP, he should be able to remove the deadbolt by removing the two screws, which will allow the two halfs of the deadbolt to be removed. Then the bolt can be removed.

In Illinois they are not allowed on commercial either.

The fire martial allowed them on the condition that they be unlocked at any time someone was in the building--Big fine if the bolt is thrown.

That code goes back to the 1970s.

They are just sure death for people in a smoke filled house--Key close by?

I can picture my grand son coughing and gagging trying to remember where grand pa hid the key.

Maintenance 6 06-07-2011 08:39 AM

Your chances of being burglarized are probably a thousand times greater than having a fire, but code is code. I leave a key in my double cylinder deadbolt when I am at home and pull it to lock the door when I leave.


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