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Old 08-23-2010, 12:59 PM   #1
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Hi all, and well met.

First post here, I wish I'd been coming here over the past 5 years since owning a home. Better late then never! Anyway, on to my potential problem:

We recently had a paver patio installed in our backyard. No problems with that, everything came out great. However, I decided to build a small stone wall around the patio (talking about 2 - 2.5 feet high), mostly for looks but also the land on one side of the patio grades up considerably and we were worried about mudslides and dirt in general when it rains. I wouldn't necessarily call it a retaining wall since it's really retaining nothing but a tiny bit of mulch and dirt - barely any load at all.

I bought the materials and started installing. Looks wise, i'm very happy with the way it's coming out. However, I laid my first row of blocks directly on the ground around the perimeter of the patio; i.e. I did not dig and bury the first stone, no gravel/crushed stone base, nothing at all. Is this a terrible mistake? What can I expect, if anything?

I let the adhesive cure for 24 hours and pushed/pulled on the wall and even sat on it - it feels very solid to me. What do you think? Am I going to have big problems down the road in having done it this way?

I look forward to your replies, thanks!

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Old 08-23-2010, 08:44 PM   #2
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Where are you located? How deep is your frost line?
Did the guy who laid the pavers dig a base and use some gravel and stone dust?
Why not attach a photo?

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Old 08-23-2010, 08:57 PM   #3
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Hi all, and well met.

First post here, I wish I'd been coming here over the past 5 years since owning a home. Better late then never! Anyway, on to my potential problem:

We recently had a paver patio installed in our backyard. No problems with that, everything came out great. However, I decided to build a small stone wall around the patio (talking about 2 - 2.5 feet high), mostly for looks but also the land on one side of the patio grades up considerably and we were worried about mudslides and dirt in general when it rains. I wouldn't necessarily call it a retaining wall since it's really retaining nothing but a tiny bit of mulch and dirt - barely any load at all.

I bought the materials and started installing. Looks wise, i'm very happy with the way it's coming out. However, I laid my first row of blocks directly on the ground around the perimeter of the patio; i.e. I did not dig and bury the first stone, no gravel/crushed stone base, nothing at all. Is this a terrible mistake? What can I expect, if anything?

I let the adhesive cure for 24 hours and pushed/pulled on the wall and even sat on it - it feels very solid to me. What do you think? Am I going to have big problems down the road in having done it this way?

I look forward to your replies, thanks!
Where did you get your information on how to build this wall?
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Where are you located? How deep is your frost line?
Did the guy who laid the pavers dig a base and use some gravel and stone dust?
Why not attach a photo?
I'm located in NJ. No idea how deep my frost line is; sadly, I don't even know what that is.

Yes, the contractor dug a base, used crushed stone/dust, gravel etc. before laying pavers. I'm very confident that he did a great job and it's all on the up and up.

The wall i'm building isn't finished just yet, but when I get home from work i'll take a pic of it in progress and will post it up.
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Where did you get your information on how to build this wall?
To be honest, I pretty much winged it off the top of my head, with a bit of half-@ssed internet research. Not the greatest planning, I know. But at this point what's done is done - i'm just wondering what negative reprocussions I can expect to see now or down the road, if any?

I did take care to ensure the ground underneath was compacted, and I made sure every stone was level both left to right, front to back, and with each subsequent stone.

Again, i'll get a photo up ASAP.
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Sounds like the wall is sitting on the ground, not the patio

frost heaving is probably the biggest potential problem you'll face. It's not a huge deal, like you said, what's done is done. It probably will tumble over at some point, might be this winter, might be 10 years from now.

We live and we learn, the trick is to try to balance the two and not do too much more of one and not enough of the other.....
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Sounds like the wall is sitting on the ground, not the patio

frost heaving is probably the biggest potential problem you'll face. It's not a huge deal, like you said, what's done is done. It probably will tumble over at some point, might be this winter, might be 10 years from now.

We live and we learn, the trick is to try to balance the two and not do too much more of one and not enough of the other.....
Thanks Mr. Chips, that's correct - the wall is sitting on the ground around the perimeter of the patio, not on top of the patio itself. Basically the idea was to create a short wall surrounding the patio. I re-measured yesterday and it'll be no more than 2ft. high once completed. I will get a pic uploaded ASAP.
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"I laid my first row of blocks directly on the ground around the perimeter of the patio; i.e. I did not dig and bury the first stone, no gravel/crushed stone base, nothing at all. Is this a terrible mistake? What can I expect, if anything?"
It will result in having to do the job again. With all the tools of the internet and TV, even a novice would know this is incorrect. Considering the work involved, I would invest in some research before endeavoring on another project.
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This scenario:
"I laid my first row of blocks directly on the ground around the perimeter of the patio; i.e. I did not dig and bury the first stone, no gravel/crushed stone base, nothing at all. Is this a terrible mistake? What can I expect, if anything?"
It will result in having to do the job again. With all the tools of the internet and TV, even a novice would know this is incorrect. Considering the work involved, I would invest in some research before endeavoring on another project.
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Lighten-up there big fella! It would be a terrible mistake if the guy was building a structure. But it's a 2' high decorative wall!! there is no guarantee he will ever have to do the job twice. It's called a learning experience, no reason for him to get worked up, and even less reason for you to!!
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I built a 3' tall wall about 4 years ago after my garage foundation was poured
I didn't bury the 1st block either..everything dry stacked
This is the wall block with the lip at the back
So each row steps back just a little
Just the "dirt" that was there - not good topsoil dirt
Wall is still there, no problems
It won't be taken apart & replaced until the new driveway goes in

You may or may not have problems
Depends upon the soil...water drainage, freezing..
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Lighten-up there big fella! It would be a terrible mistake if the guy was building a structure. But it's a 2' high decorative wall!! there is no guarantee he will ever have to do the job twice. It's called a learning experience, no reason for him to get worked up, and even less reason for you to!!
Mr Chips, thanks for your 'backup' on this! He's right in that I probably took the lazy way out; but I figured with it being nothing more than decorative, I would be ok. It was only after I laid it all out that I started to question what I had done. In any event, as you said, it was a learning experience and next time I have a much better idea on what to do.

I've since done some further research and for a wall such as what i'm building, the 1st block doesn't necessarily have to be buried - a footing really isn't necessary because the wall isn't retaining anything. However, where I definitely went wrong was not digging first and then filling with gravel/sand for proper drainage. As previously mentioned, frost heave is a big concern.

Still looking to get a pic up for you all to see, but it's been raining here something fierce for days now - should end today though!
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I built a 3' tall wall about 4 years ago after my garage foundation was poured
I didn't bury the 1st block either..everything dry stacked
This is the wall block with the lip at the back
So each row steps back just a little
Just the "dirt" that was there - not good topsoil dirt
Wall is still there, no problems
It won't be taken apart & replaced until the new driveway goes in

You may or may not have problems
Depends upon the soil...water drainage, freezing..
I'm glad to hear this, all I can do at this point is hope for the best. What does your wall sit on top of - soil or the garage foundation?
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The wall sits on top of soil
Its actually about 15' away from the foundation
Holding back dirt that leads to the front of the house
The area does drain water away from the wall
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The wall sits on top of soil
Its actually about 15' away from the foundation
Holding back dirt that leads to the front of the house
The area does drain water away from the wall
Sounds very similar to my situation. Hopefully i'll be as lucky as you have been so far!
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"mostly for looks but also the land on one side of the patio grades up considerably and we were worried about mudslides and dirt in general when it rains." ---- and you should be.... unless you installed weep holes (or tubing) to let the capillary pressure out or divert it with drainage tile to another area. The water will take the path of least resistance, possibly under the wall as there is no drainage plane, cutting troughs in the dirt. It all depends on how much water, wait and see. Think positive! You probably won't have any water... Then just rebuild it and chalk it up as a learning experience you can write about to help others on forums such as this. lol. Next time I bet you research more... We have a whole "showcase of projects" here, that members can get continuous help (whether they want it or not) with, sometimes yelling back- "YA THINK". So I'm just saying, if you post a project or tell a story-- expect critisism, especially if you are doing something wrong or unsafe.

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