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Old 03-01-2012, 08:55 AM   #1
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For securing your joists that land over beams, is it okay to toe nail the beams in from both sides, or is it best to use a hurricane tie like the strong-tie H2.5?

My deck has two levels, 12" off grade at highest point, and 24" for second level.

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Prefer the positive connection of H2.5 or similar.

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Do you live in a hurricane prone area?

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Simpson ties are very good, I recommend them over toenails any day.
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I've never heard of or seen hurricane ties used on floor joists before. Is this code somewhere?
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I've never heard of or seen hurricane ties used on floor joists before. Is this code somewhere?
Hmm...good point Joe, I was for some reason assuming that this was for a deck but he says nothing of kind.
I should know better than to assume.

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Quicksmoke says this is a deck, see his first post. See Figure 6 of the Prescriptive Guide 2006 edition for a picture of a joist to beam connection using a hurricane clip. Also shows use of toenails as an alternative, I simply prefer the clip.
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Quicksmoke says this is a deck, see his first post. See Figure 6 of the Prescriptive Guide 2006 edition for a picture of a joist to beam connection using a hurricane clip. Also shows use of toenails as an alternative, I simply prefer the clip.
Joists are always toenailed to top plates never using hurricane ties. Why would they need them for a beam? Just curious....don't see the reason. Every single house...addition....deck. I've ever built ....joists get toenailed. Never seen or heard of this before on any forum either.
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Joists are always toenailed to top plates never using hurricane ties. Why would they need them for a beam? Just curious....don't see the reason. Every single house...addition....deck. I've ever built ....joists get toenailed. Never seen or heard of this before on any forum either.
(2) 16 D nails, (3) 8D nails or a metal hardware connection is required for decks with dropped beams. If you're building a deck correctly (flashing the tops of the beams) then the less penetrations through the flashing the better, so a H2.5 or similar is a good option, they usually run $.50 for a ZMAX rated one. over 16 joists its only $8.
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Page 7, as Daniel said for that Code: "toenails only used if the deck is attached to the house with a ledger".....

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P.S. The link: http://www.awc.org/Publications/DCA/DCA6/DCA6-09.pdf
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Wow! Didn't know I even had an semi-interesting question, lol!

Just little more info, I'm located in central jersey, so definately not hurricane prone. The deck I'll be building is free standing from the house using a combo of dropped and flush beams in order to use 2x8's and keep off the ground.

I see both methods recommened, just wasn't sure which was really preferred, or a good point brought up, per code.

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