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Old 04-20-2013, 08:28 PM   #16
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Thanks Gary!
I have no bone to pick here either. I'm def not a fighter.
Hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend.
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Zo,

I think you need to go back and re-read the posts. I have not been confrontational, I was simply asking what code you were referencing in your comment. When you said the IRC was not available online I provided you a link to all the ICC codes. I never once said your referenced code was not applicable or incorrect.

I have not said I thought the rail height was dangerous, in fact I believe I referred Ryan to the local building department, and my opinion was that stainless steel cables should be allowed. See post #4.

I do not involve myself in ".... matches", and a review of my postings on this and other forums would back that up. I try to help posters with my knowledge and experience. People are entitled to their opinions, and when it comes to code the opinion that matters is the local AHJ. My mama taught me a long time ago, "the more you stir dog stuff the worst it smells."

with that said, Welcome to the Forum and I look forward to having a contributing member.

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I site/post links to 95% of my statements, easier to understand and learn from, other than an opinion. I joined here in '09 and have been posting links since. Until GBrackins (who is doing a better job than I) came on board, I answered all code questions with the links to IRC, IBC, State Codes and local County codes. Because not everyone is under an "I" Code, I will suggest to "check with local AHJ".
Moral; I too, would like the link to your statement; "It needs to be safely installed as to not create a false sense of security, but that falls under a different code than rail height and spacing." if you would, or explain it better for me please.

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Hey Gary,
I’ll do my best.
When I replied to the initial question by Ryan (RodBarney), I took a few facts into consideration.
1. He was referring to a residential deck only 7” AFF.
2. He was referring to his local code, which would be California Building Code (CBC - 2010).
3. His question was about “Requirement” to install the guardrail per code even if it was not required at all.

Origial question quoted.
Hi I recently built a small (10x12) platform deck in front of my house. The top of the deck surface is only the height of the 2x6 joist and the 2x6 deck board from grade, so only about 7". My local code requires a railing (42") if the deck is 30" or more from grade. So I dont need a rail. But I want to build a rail mainly for decorative purposes. Does my decorative rail need to be built to the same standards as a rail required for decks above 30", specifically 42" height and less than 4" in between horizontal members?

Is there a requirement for a guardrail or a handrail for surfaces located less than 30” vertically to the floor or grade below per the CBC? No!

2010 CALIFORNIA BUILDING CODE – PART 2 – VOLUME 1 - SECTION 1013 – GUARDS.
1013.1 Where required
. Guards shall be located along open-sided walking surfaces, including mezzanines, equipment platforms, stairs, ramps and landings that are located more than 30 inches (762 mm) measured vertically to the floor or grade below at any point within 36 inches (914 mm) horizontally to the edge of the open side.

My intent was to focus on the answer to the specific question of guardrail requirement not the method of attachment, size of posts, spacing, cap, resistive materials, fire protection, etc.

As a new member to this board, I did not know that it is common to attach links to answers but was happy to provide this link once I was asked by Gary (Gbrackins) to provide the backup to the same line you're asking about. Please refer to my response to Gary yesterday providing the link to deck installation for single story SFR.

If Ryan's question was: Do you think it’s a good idea…? Or: What would you do if this was your home…? The answer may be different because it would allow me to recommend scope which goes beyond the required scope, but per code and the enforcement of the code there is no requirement for a rail (guard or hand) on Ryan’s deck.

Btw, the code also allows for other exceptions to guard rails which you (and I) may not agree with. Check it out.
2010 CALIFORNIA BUILDING CODE – PART 2 – VOLUME 1 - SECTION 1013.1 – WHERE REQUIRED – EXCEPTIONS.
Guards are not required for the following locations:
1. On the loading side of loading docks or piers.
2. On the audience side of stages and raised platforms, including steps leading up to the stage and raised platforms.
3. On raised stage and platform floor areas, such as runways, ramps and side stages used for entertainment or presentations.
4. At vertical openings in the performance area of stages and platforms.
5. At elevated walking surfaces appurtenant to stages and platforms for access to and utilization of special lighting or equipment.
6. Along vehicle service pits not accessible to the public.
7. In assembly seating where guards in accordance with Section 1028.14 are permitted and provided.

I think some of these conditions make for unsafe conditions but they are allowed per the local building code.

Gary, I tried to offer more background than the specific question you asked. Forgive me if I covered information you clearly already knew. The short answer to your question is this: http://www.awc.org/Publications/DCA/DCA6/DCA6-09.pdf

I do hope this provided you the answer you asked. If you want to suggest a different approach or method, I’m all ears.

Thanks for chiming in.

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I site/post links to 95% of my statements, easier to understand and learn from, other than an opinion. I joined here in '09 and have been posting links since. Until GBrackins (who is doing a better job than I) came on board, I answered all code questions with the links to IRC, IBC, State Codes and local County codes. Because not everyone is under an "I" Code, I will suggest to "check with local AHJ".
Moral; I too, would like the link to your statement; "It needs to be safely installed as to not create a false sense of security, but that falls under a different code than rail height and spacing." if you would, or explain it better for me please.

Gary

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