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Old 10-11-2015, 02:19 PM   #1
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Deck for kid clubhouse thoughts


Ok, it's begun: Kid clubhouse

The first part is a simple 8 x 8, 30" above grade.

I just need some good guidance on the beam setup. The costs are similar, so I'm concerned about strength--planning 4x4 posts.

Should I go with a (strong tie) cap on the post and sandwich two 2x8's to make a beam, and then put the joist assembly in the beam.

Or, should I go with carriage bolts through the side of the post and 2x8.

I know the torsion (option b) to the side isn't the best but it's a small deck.

I've also seen this, which lets you put two beams over 3/4 of the post top.


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Old 10-11-2015, 03:00 PM   #2
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Build it the same as building any deck.
How long do you want this to hold up?
Not even sure what you would use those brackets for you posted for.
30" is going to require railings.
Is there going to be a building (club house) on top of this platform?
Any drawings, pictures of what you want to build?

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Old 10-11-2015, 03:17 PM   #3
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Thanks for answering

I'll post sketches. 8 x 8 and yes an 8x6 house(shed) atop it.
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Location will also help.
Want it to last then your going to need Sono tubes set below the frost line.
6 X 6's not 4 X 4's.
Post bases on top of the Sono tubes and notch the 6 x 6's to except the 2 X 8's and through bolt them with 1/2" carrrage bolts.
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SE TEXAS. No frost issues but I planned on using tubes.

I had a friend doing the same type project and he just 45'd the 2x8 and set them atop the posts. He's go straps to go on the sides to secure the post to the beams.


Hadn't seen that but it seems strong.



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I would double enforce it, as children seem to be pretty rough despite their size.
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What do you mean? In reference to this photo of my friend's?
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What do you mean? In reference to this photo of my friend's?
In reference to joecaptions "Build it as any deck" and looking at the photo of your friends. Also he says 30" for railings. For children, I'd always include a railing.
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He wasted a lot of time cutting those at a 45, there's 0 reason to do that when framing.
Rim joist also should have been through bolted not just nailed.
If he just has those rim joist sitting on the post, where's the post caps to hold then in place?
Please do not follow this guys instrutions.
http://www.strongtie.com/products/co...urce=capsbscat
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Oh definitely the railing.

I think I'll stick with a standard deck beam (double 2x's) and go 16" OC. Maybe 18"

Based on the charts I see i can go posts/bearer at 0' , 5', and 10' on the 10 ft side, and just the ends of the 8ft side--using 2x8's
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9 times out of ten miter joints open up.
I would round all corners for child safety.
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Ok, I have a quick sketch and wanted to put down what I believe to be correct. However, there are a few grey areas I'm not certain of. It's a clubhouse, but I want the deck to last for the next family that lives here.

1. southeast TX so my frost line is shallow: Decks.com says about 5"
2. 8' x 10' outer dimensions
3. height is just about 30" (i need it low so the house can be higher and stay within my HOA guidelines)
4. beams will be sandwiched 2x8x10's with post caps sitting on 4x4's
5. 4x4s (see #4)
6. concrete footings, poured with sawed off sonotube, that is 12" diameter.

This is where it gets grey for me between technique and safety:

http://www.decks.com/how-to/40/beam-span-chart-table

***According to that chart--with my 8' joists--I can get away with only 4 corner posts (4x4), which are 10' apart on the long side, if I use 2x8 joists (and presumably rim too?).

***It also says if I want to use 2x6 joists I'd have to put a post at 4 or 6' on the long side (i was going for 5' for symmetry).

***2x6 joists (SYP) can go up to 9' which is more than I need, but I do have the clubhouse/shed going on top.

(btw, some of these charts differ slightly in their answers)

Q1. So, in terms of cost it's cheaper for me to go with 2x8's and fewer posts, but the house is at one end (8x6) and I thought putting posts halfway down the beam was a good idea anyway. Would 2x6 be ok or stick with the 2x8?


Q2. Is there any reason / any case where you would make your rim joists 2x8 and the actual joists 2x6? Or do they always match. Stupid question, but no literature online yet.

Q3. given that I'm down near the gulf coast in TX, a 12" footing (i'm over mostly clay and sand) could be poured literally 6 or 7" deep? Then just use a masonry bit to drill a post base in once it cures? I don't know if I trust my setting skills to put one in when it's plastic.

Q4. finally, how far in can the beam be from the rim joists? I can find charts on cantilever for beams hanging over posts (i'm doing about 12" for mine which is about 50% of the tolerance), but I'm not finding guidance on the beam.

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As always, thanks for taking the time.

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How well are you with charts...?

Give us the exact description of the clubhouse, or you can look it up here.


http://ci.camarillo.ca.us/docs/bs/We...0Materials.pdf
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Without anything more than a sketch of the house I came up with about 310psf for the studs, roof, and framing.

This site says for two beams, 3 posts each, I should be fine on my clay/silty soil.

http://www.ideasfordeckdesigns.com/c...calculator.php

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Old 10-14-2015, 10:30 AM   #15
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Post the sketch here.

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