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Old 01-31-2011, 10:03 AM   #31
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Just make sure the ledgers are properly fastened to the house and shed. That sounds like they're weak ink. Don't count on screws to hold the ledger on. Lag bolts at the very least.


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Old 01-31-2011, 11:14 AM   #32
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oh, the ledgers are real firm. on the house side, it is 2x8 anchored in concrete with 5.5" carriage bolts, two rows spaced about 16" or less. on the shed side, the 2x8 is nailed directly to the shed studs, done before sheathing. so the ledgers are pretty darn rock solid ...
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I would notch the posts and run your double 2x10 girder in the notch and call it a day
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Old 02-01-2011, 12:04 PM   #34
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Sheesh dude, why the attack? Is it possible he didn't need a permit if his deck was under a certain height? At least that was the case for us. When I read someone's inquiry met with such hostility, it doesn't make me much inclined to ever ask questions.
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[quote=amakarevic;581740]oh, the ledgers are real firm. on the house side, it is 2x8 anchored in concrete with 5.5" carriage bolts

How did you manage to attach a ledger board to concrete with carriage bolts?
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Sheesh dude, why the attack? Is it possible he didn't need a permit if his deck was under a certain height?
It's possible but it appears as though he never intended to get one in the first place.

You see, our industry has so many regulations, and a lot of them are ridiculous or overdone or redundant. The reason is that people like this who don't know what they're doing build a deck, then a couple years later, the deck will collapse and people will get hurt.

The next thing that happens is the government decides that deck-building needs to be regulated a little more (does it matter if the deck was built without permits and not built properly? not usually). So, the guys who build legitimately now have a tougher time, for no reason, and the guys who don't and don't get permits aren't affected at all, since they never cared or knew better to begin with.

For example you can't attach deck posts to the outside of a deck in Ontario anymore, even though there are proper ways it can be done.

I don't like it when I hear of people building illegally but know I won't be able to change anything over the internet, so I at least try and help them do it properly...

However, I can totally understand, and it makes sense for someone who works legitimately to get upset at someone who blatantly refuses to and who obviously has very little idea about what they are doing. In the long run it is people like this who make it harder for the people like Joe Carola and myself.

At least the ones asking question care enough to have it done somewhat properly. If it had've been higher than 24" I would have been on the same side as Joe on this one.
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Thank you, fungku, for the detailed explanation. I totally understand the legality of the issue and I'm always on the side for doing things right. I just thought Joe got a little childish (or took it personally) and became uncivil. I still agree with you guys on upholding the law, and encouraging others to do so. But if these threads have a tendancy to get hateful, I'll bow out. I've only been on here a few days, and was surprised at that exchange.
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face it: there are those of us who enter this forum not knowing things and come out knowing them by getting the right answers. i have been a DIY-er 4 yrs now and every project i embarked on was met with HATE by HATERS discouraging me as that requires professionals' touch and what not... most of those people were some sort of vested interest, i.e. contractors or tradesmen of some sort who wanted the job and had an interest in ppl doing DIY as little as possible so they discouraged them.

but with patience and asking the right questions, i turned everything into gold that i touched. sure, there were mistakes and some relatively expensive one (i'd say the most expensive one not even being $1,000) but that's how you learn. surely, building a deck ranks pretty low in my list of accomplishments (like rewiring half the house and redoing 75% of the radiator plumbing, among other things).

so, yes, JOE, i may not have a clue about building a deck and i may sound stupid to you asking the kind of questions i do but by the time i am done, it will be all square...
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so, yes, JOE, i may not have a clue about building a deck and i may sound stupid to you asking the kind of questions i do but by the time i am done, it will be all square...
He wasn't telling you not to do it or discouraging you. All he asked is if you were getting a permit. And then asking why you weren't and never got an answer...
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Just remember everybody has to start somewhere. The fact that the guy is here asking questions is a great start. Now figure this Joe I know your a stand up guy and do some great work but say your car breaks down and you figure you can fix it. You go start asking the same questions with the atittude you approached this issue some might help you but most will say leave it to a pro blah blah blah blah blah. So with re-guards to this post about decks he is not to far off. I can also tell you that if he is indeed building it the way he says he is the thing is going to hold a mac truck on it.

amakarevic-- I figure you are on the right track. Keep up the good work and keep asking questions if you get stuck please. Rather have you ask a simple stupid question then do it the other way and have it be wrong.

FYI today I was framing (been framing for a little under 10 years) I was doing work for my rents and reused 2x6's I took out of a wall forgot they were cut to 92 5/8 to I tossed my new 2x6 as the bottom plate well I was off 3in lol. IT happens to the best of us.
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He wasn't telling you not to do it or discouraging you. All he asked is if you were getting a permit. And then asking why you weren't and never got an answer...
I think in every state I have built a deck that was under 20in I never had to get a permit either.

I answered this in my post just now but the way the other 2 guys approached this situation was just wrong. Instead of asking a question it was more like a jail cell interrogation lol
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I think in every state I have built a deck that was under 20in I never had to get a permit either.

I answered this in my post just now but the way the other 2 guys approached this situation was just wrong. Instead of asking a question it was more like a jail cell interrogation lol
It's just a funny situation. some people are way too sensitive.

We don't have a 'vested interest' as if we're going to be getting some sort of business out of convincing a DiY'er to get a permit. And we're not telling anyone to 'hire a pro.' Most (if not all) contractors helping on these forums don't expect (or want) to shop business from a DiY'er. Trust me, my clients and target market are not the DiY type.

We are here because we are passionate about what we do and we enjoy discussing it and helping others.

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It's just a funny situation. some people are way too sensitive.

We don't have a 'vested interest' as if we're going to be getting some sort of business out of convincing a DiY'er to get a permit. And we're not telling anyone to 'hire a pro.' Most (if not all) contractors helping on these forums don't expect (or want) to shop business from a DiY'er. Trust me, my clients and target market are not the DiY type.

We are here because we are passionate about what we do and we enjoy discussing it and helping others.
I have clients of both sides. Some like doing some small things then leave the other stuff to me. I don't mind it either way. I make a good living off of what I do. I love helping others. That is why I am here too, Just some of the attitudes some of the guys on here and on the contractor side have the I am the best of the best of the best ever written all over them. Frankly it is getting really annoying. Sure Joe frames differently from me does that make me wrong and him right? No that is the point, so saying go to your local building inspector will one just tell them how that one building inspector likes it. That also doesn't mean it is wrong or right. See what I am getting at?
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I have clients of both sides. Some like doing some small things then leave the other stuff to me. I don't mind it either way. I make a good living off of what I do. I love helping others. That is why I am here too, Just some of the attitudes some of the guys on here and on the contractor side have the I am the best of the best of the best ever written all over them. Frankly it is getting really annoying. Sure Joe frames differently from me does that make me wrong and him right? No that is the point, so saying go to your local building inspector will one just tell them how that one building inspector likes it. That also doesn't mean it is wrong or right. See what I am getting at?
Yes, but we should clarify:

There is more than one way to skin a cat. There is usually more than one correct way to build something. However, it is not a "no wrong answer" situation.

And on the building permit topic:

Whether or not you consider working illegally wrong:

There is a reason why a deck usually requires a building permit, but re-tiling your kitchen floor doesn't.

Asking a professional for advice to help you do something that is illegal and getting upset when he questions you on it is ridiculous.

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