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Old 05-29-2011, 10:35 AM   #1
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Hi Guys,


Please check out the link
http://lepricon.isleofthieves.com/tmp/SDC10620.jpg so you can see a picture of the deck.

Here is some background info..

I built a 3 tier deck.
First tier 6’ high 8’ wide and 20’ long.
Second tier which
comes off the first deck is 4’ high 12’ by 12’.
Third tier which comes off
the second tier is 2 foot high and 12 ‘ wide by 18 ‘ long

The problem:
The bylaw officer came by and said that my second deck is not in compliance of code.
I back onto a pond and the bylaw states that no structure taller then 24” shall
be permitted 6 meter’s from the property line. Basically my options are drop
deck 2 down to 24” height and attach it to deck 3.

My solution:

The inspector mentioned that as long as the deck was 24”
measured to grade that it would meet code. My back garden runs at a slope and I
could bring the grade up 24” under the deck that is in violation. I would have
to re-do my footings. Will this work? Can you simply adjust the grade under the
violating deck and become compliant?
I am in Toronto, Canada btw…

Love to hear your opinion.
I really want to try and keep the 3 tier look.

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Old 05-29-2011, 11:57 AM   #2
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Don't really know. It would be a shame to have to reframe everything but it looks like you would have to grade everything by hand back there? And the code in your area suggests 24" max from the end of the deck I am assuming? Seems to me trying to decrease the natural slope by 2 feet on the low end of it is going to require a lot of material and a retaining wall structure somewhere.

You might be best off complying with changing the level of deck 2? I think I know the answer but no chance of applying for a code variance. Looks like you were on to a nice deck idea.

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So there was no building permit?
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Old 05-29-2011, 12:39 PM   #4
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Hi guys,


I looked into a code variance. I would need to get 3 different variances approved to leave the deck as is, without grading changes. The planning office said the likelihood of this is not good.


I stupidly did not get a permit (ya I know thats what I get )


I have a landscaping company coming in to have a look. I wonder if a gravel slinger could make light work of the job?

Does anyone know if I could simply raise the grade under the violating deck alone.. without grading the rest of the property?

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You should be asking the inspector these questions. What difference does it make what anyone here thinks. No permit and he didn’t shut you down? I don’t know anything about code in Toronto but your framing detail would never pass here.
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You should be asking the inspector these questions. What difference does it make what anyone here thinks. No permit and he didn’t shut you down? I don’t know anything about code in Toronto but your framing detail would never pass here.

Wow...
I was just looking for some opinions isnt that the point of online
forums ?

OFFTOPIC.. specifically what is wrong with my framing detail? PM me if you like.


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Old 05-29-2011, 01:12 PM   #7
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Indeed. You did this without a permit and the inspector is now on you.

And no you cannot, nor should you want to, raise the grade at only the front edge of the deck to try to comply with your land sloping into what? A mound of gravel?

And no, you cannot just bring in truck after truck of gravel without a permit to raise your slope two feet from the high side to the edge of the deck either. And I hope the code forces you to construct a retaining wall to hold it if you do.

I am sorry, but you learned an expensive lesson in this. I have deep mixed feelings about building permits and inspectors. But without them? We would all be tempted to build some crazy assed stuff.

And I am not bashing you and you should come to this site for advice. Sometimes though? You will not like the answers to your questions and may exit wishing we sent you better news. Never shoot the messenger.

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You should be asking the inspector these questions. What difference does it make what anyone here thinks. No permit and he didn’t shut you down? I don’t know anything about code in Toronto but your framing detail would never pass here.

Agreed Ron. Though it wasnt the topic of the post, there are some issues that need attention. Apparently the zoning issue caught the inspectors eye first.

lepricon...keep us posted on how this one works out.
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Does anyone really trust those joist hangers that much?

Just asking.
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Does anyone really trust those joist hangers that much?

Just asking.

When installed correctly....of course. You dont?
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I prefer to have the joist resting on the beam.

I'm not trying to be a know it all, but for this particular application, no.
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I get ya. I do also, almost all the time. But when you get down close to ground level you dont have any other choice but to hang joists directly from the beam.

In our current example I'm with you. Joists should be on top of beam with whatever cantilever you choose. That cantilever detail would never pass here.

I suspect the op will be taking some things apart before he gets a CO.
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I hate to nitpick, but in my opinion, a bolt through each post/beam connection would be a worthy addition.
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...I'm trying not to. Its a holiday. The guy came on here trying to get advise on regrading his yard so his deck was in zoning compliance. Although I must say its not looking good for that approach.

Once he gets that straightened out, hopefully he'll be back to ask advise on the deck structure itself.
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I'm thinking the best solution here would be to drop the 4' deck down to the 2' level. That will make it 12'X30' I think. You have more than enough space for the stairs.

Then you can address the bolting the beam to the posts and I am a little concerned about the overhangs. What is supporting those?

I hope we haven't scared the guy off.

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