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BalchConstruction 05-04-2007 02:16 PM

Deck. Can I use nails instead of srews?
 
I have never heard of anyone using nails before to build a deck and my uncle just built a deck for my grandparents using them. I didnt think you could but obviously he did. Was this wrong and why?

send_it_all 05-04-2007 02:21 PM

Every deck that was built more than 25 years ago was probably done with nails. Screws are better. They will hold tighter longer. Nails will loosen eventually and lead to squeaks in the decking and flimsy rails, but it will last for a while. When it starts loosening, just replace nails with deck screws little by little. Eventually, you will have a good deck...lol

warnerww 05-04-2007 02:53 PM

Yep that about sums it up. It is quicker especially if you have a nail gun.

AtlanticWBConst. 05-04-2007 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BalchConstruction (Post 43578)
I have never heard of anyone using nails before to build a deck and my uncle just built a deck for my grandparents using them. I didnt think you could but obviously he did. Was this wrong and why?

No, it is not wrong. This is perfectly code compliant. You can build a deck using Galvanized nails.
This is still done on large multi unit jobs, where production is important.

If you are constructing decks that are not under multi-unit time and production constraints, then obviously the better method is to use screws.

As far as decks that we build: We have always used screws on the deck boards, railing caps and ballustrade components.

Mike Finley 05-04-2007 06:50 PM

And using a good ring shank nail will bridge the gap even further between nails and screws.

robertcdf 05-05-2007 01:14 AM

Keep in mind that you do HAVE to use nails for your framing materials and hangers. But for decking and railing it is better to use screws.

Mike Swearingen 05-05-2007 02:22 AM

I have three decks and a 144' pier/dock/boathouse and all of the deck boards were nailed with galvanized ring shank nails (aka Dek-Loks).
They still pop up a bit with wet/freezing weather swelling and shrinking.
Go with galvanized screws as advised.
Mike

crecore 05-05-2007 06:21 AM

good point robert, although I often throw a screw in because it's easier to do by yourself, then I add the hangers and nail.

crecore 05-05-2007 06:22 AM

oh and quikdrive makes the decking go down "almost" as quick as with a nail gun and if you buy the extension a lot easier on the back! :yes:

agrikk 05-10-2007 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by crecore (Post 43699)
oh and quikdrive makes the decking go down "almost" as quick as with a nail gun and if you buy the extension a lot easier on the back! :yes:

Can you suggest a screw gun that can put down a 2"x6" piece of Trex? Basically I'm looking for a nailgun that'll drive a 3" screw.

AtlanticWBConst. 05-10-2007 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by agrikk (Post 44611)
Can you suggest a screw gun that can put down a 2"x6" piece of Trex? Basically I'm looking for a nailgun that'll drive a 3" screw.

Just about all the big brand manufacturer make a 'deck' screw gun.

We have 2 Dewalt Deck screw guns that we are very happy with. They are about 7 years old and still work great.

TIP: If you decide to use a manual feeding deck gun....you should 'tap' the screw into the wood with a hammer - to drive the tip into the deck material.
This allows the screw to be driven in without the initial 'fight', that people so often have, in trying to get the screw 'started'.

robertcdf 05-10-2007 11:27 PM

There is a place that makes colated screws... You load them into your framing nail gun and shoot them into the decking. They pull out just like screws but go down quick. I have never used them just seen them in magazines.

warnerww 05-11-2007 12:21 AM

Now that sounds cool. No screws that feed into your screw gun no manual screwing (can I say that). Just bang and go. That would save so much time I will need to look into that.

AtlanticWBConst. 05-11-2007 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robertcdf (Post 44633)
There is a place that makes colated screws... You load them into your framing nail gun and shoot them into the decking. They pull out just like screws but go down quick. I have never used them just seen them in magazines.

Robert,

Which mag....JLC ?

I'm curious about this.....

robertcdf 05-11-2007 04:14 PM

I thought it was in pro deck builder... But I looked and did not see it. I will see if I can track it down for you guys.


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