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Old 03-05-2013, 12:22 PM   #211
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Wow, wood was actually its stated dimensions back in the day? You sure about that, just seems odd how they'd suddenly start shipping things smaller.. but stranger things have happened. I'll never forget the first time I went to buy some wood for a little table I was building.. I didn't measure it at the store and brought it home, measured it and it was too small.. I was like WTF?!

Well I know the pressure treated wood for outdoor use is different now. No more CCA except for commercial use, and now there's mca/mcq/etc. My understanding though it the actual lumber is of worse quality and less hardy which is why it's less durable/doesn't last as long..?

Edit: I guess this explains it.. http://www.humboldt.net/~hrsp/oldgrowth.htm Older growth have more tightly packed together growth rings = tougher/stronger wood.
Oh yeah. Before my time it was. I helped a friend rip out his kitchen floor and replace a rotted joist in a really old house (maybe close to 100 years). Those joists were HUGE! He went to get a replacement joist and the new one was so much smaller that it was ridiculous. I think he added more wood to make it the same width as the original. I had never seen wood that big on a house before!!

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Oh yeah. Before my time it was. I helped a friend rip out his kitchen floor and replace a rotted joist in a really old house (maybe close to 100 years). Those joists were HUGE! He went to get a replacement joist and the new one was so much smaller that it was ridiculous. I think he added more wood to make it the same width as the original. I had never seen wood that big on a house before!!

I've worked on numerous houses where a 2x4 was 2 1/2"thick x4 1/2" wide normal size throughout the house- that was their version of a 2x4 and those sizes lasted up to probably the 30's or 40's before size reduction principles were introduced at the saw mills. around the 50's 2x was down to 1 5/8" thick and has only gotten thinner over time as well as our overall wood quality being poorer and poorer. our knowledge of how to build more effectively now is not matched by the current available offerings material wise...
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I'm enjoying this thread and look forward to seeing your progress Nikeman. I plan on taking on taking on a similar project in the fall.

By the way, CCA is still used for residential use where I'm at in NC near the ocean. Nearly every house here is on 8 x 8 or larger CCA pilings including mine.
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If it would not rain for a few days in a row progress would be much faster. Right now the ledger is up and I have 13 holes full of rain water.
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If it would not rain for a few days in a row progress would be much faster. Right now the ledger is up and I have 13 holes full of rain water.

shop vac without the filter works to get rid of the built up water. after the water is gone scrape the sludge out of the bottom and get back to solid ground before your concrete. looks like dry weather for a few days in our area.
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Shop vac'd the holes and got all the leaves out as well as as much runny liquidy mud as I could with my shovel. Some of the holes ended up having water seep back up into them but I figure that little bit will prob not hurt anything and might help a little when concrete it poured in. Shop vac worked very good! I was surprised how fast the bucket filled up in that thing!
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This is driving me a little crazy. I really wanted to see what my ledger board attached to but of course I had to be at work and it was all done when I got home. Looking from under the house all I can see are the joists seemingly resting on the foundation wall with that plywood looking stuff going across the entire house. I know there has to be some sort of band board on the house and its driving me crazy that I didn't get to see it. The old deck was attached to the house with nails and the nails weren't visible from under the house but the 6" lag bolts are visible. I'm sure it's all right but curiosity is killing me. What's behind my ledger and vinyl flashing?

Here's some pics. First 2 are looking straight up. I just took off the door to the crawl space. The last one is from under the house. The black is the vinyl flashing under behind the ledger.

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Does that thick piece of wood behind the ledger go all the way across the house? Can't see it anymore after crawl space opening.

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In the last picture, the through-bolts (not lag-bolts) require a washer and nut against the engineered rim joist, pp.13; http://www.awc.org/Publications/DCA/DCA6/DCA6-09.pdf
Or am I of-base here...lol, as they are not done. Though I would bolt/nut before joisting, IMO.

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Sneak peak of progress.

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I've peeked in on this thread a few times but haven't really followed it. Looking where you're at now I wouldn't attach your rim joist yet. I'd start laying decking from the house out and when you get close to the end figure out and then cut the ends of the joist and install the rim so you end up with a full deck board at the end and not a rip.
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I've peeked in on this thread a few times but haven't really followed it. Looking where you're at now I wouldn't attach your rim joist yet. I'd start laying decking from the house out and when you get close to the end figure out and then cut the ends of the joist and install the rim so you end up with a full deck board at the end and not a rip.
I can't. I have to have it inspected once framing is done before any decking is put down. The last deck board will be cut up anyway for the hand rails but I think it will work out pretty good anyway.
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It's supposed to rain tomorrow (again) but Wednesday the stair framing should begin. Concrete should be poured and posts set that day I hope. Then Friday after concrete sets stairs should be framed up and inspection can be scheduled. I have never cut or even seen stringers being cut. How long do they take? He will have to cut about 9 sets for the 2 sets of stairs (one with a platform). Is that a full day job? I know once this framing inspection is complete and passed the decking and handrails can be down in a day and the deck will finally be done.
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I can't. I have to have it inspected once framing is done before any decking is put down.
That's a new one on me...Never heard of that one before on a deck.
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Some places require a framing inspection, and some just inspect the framing during the final inspection. Around here, if you're building a low deck so the framing can't be inspected w/ the completed deck, you need a separate framing inspection. Regarding the rim joist, that's a good idea. Nikeman, you could probably get away w/ not attaching the rim joist by just telling the inspector what kwik said, but that's your call.

Stairs can definitely take some time, but like everything, just depends how fast the guy(s) is. If it's two sets of stringers + a landing in the middle + footings for the stairs, it probably would take the better part of a day.

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We are allowed to include the framing inspection with the final but I am choosing to get it separate just because if something is found wrong with framing it would suck to have to remove the decking and hand rails. You never know what the inspector will say. The first guy who inspected the holes was very nice and even chatted with me for a while and told me to look into the crack on my foundation. Not sure if the same guy will be coming out again.

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