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Old 07-22-2011, 11:01 AM   #16
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Just remember...The FBI can get into anything.
That would be the RCM (Royal Canadian Mounties)

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Just remember...The FBI can get into anything.
Yes Sir!! It just made me think about Cyber Thieves...You're room may be built to stop the physical robbers, but what of the digital ones? I think they are far more of a problem if you've got this sensitive of material.
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You seem a touch paranoid. Just make sure your data is backed up and your homeowner's insurance is paid up. Besides, if your server is big enough that it needs its own room, it's unlikely some smash-and-grab thief would ever steal it. He probably wouldn't even know what it was.
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Old 07-22-2011, 11:20 AM   #19
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I'd still like to see someone trying to disable or cut wires with a Belgian Malinois gnawing on them...
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I'm planing on putting an alarm on the house sooner than later, so I have that part covered. This is if they just don't care about the alarm or disable it somehow and still manage to get in the house. Basically they'll either not even notice it, or wont bother because it's too hard to get in. The downside of where I live is all the wiring is aerial, so disabling the alarm would not be that hard. A pair of plyers and it's done deal. No more phone or electric service. Though I will be putting a pretty heavy duty UPS on any alarm related equipment so not too worried about the power part.

I can replace my TV and everything else, but I can't do anything about sensitive data. Not to mention I only do offsite backups of the very most important stuff as I don't have the bandwidth to do everything.
Most alarms have battery backup and they also offer cell phone connections to thwart the old "cut the phone line" technique.
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...where I live is all the wiring is aerial, so disabling the alarm would not be that hard. A pair of plyers and it's done deal..
Oh, my alarm works over cellular phone system, and has its own built in battery. There is no disable.

Add two professionally trained dogs and you can put your server in the kitchen. Save you tons of money! Just my $0.02 and they are great companions.
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Old 07-22-2011, 12:03 PM   #22
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Since you apparently have a 12" concrete floor, just build a 6" or 8" thick concrete block wall, grouted and reinforced at 8" o.c. While building, mud in the frame for the steel door (swing direction optional). Run a horizontal bond beam around in the top course. - Standard jail cell construction or add a concrete roof to for a tornado safe cell.

Actually the weight of single room on a good concrete slab does not do much because the wall actually acts like a beam and spreads the weight out well and can actually stiffen a floor slab in the end. The weigh seems much more when you toe it around by hand.

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Have you by chance been watching "It Takes a Thief"? I still like the idea of a hidden room whether it b by wood or block.
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Red suirrel -

You obviously have a remote storage for you back-ups and are only concerned with security. Backs are some compact that it is much easier to hide and protect. Daily back-ups stored remotely and erasing will leave your system relatively secure from prying people.

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Oh I have backup and all that, and the servers are used for home hobby stuff, with my crappy internet connection it would make no sense to host them all offsite, everything would be bloody slow. My main fear is someone getting some sensitive data such as my password database which would then allow them to get into my banking, web hosting (aka backups) and pretty much everything. There is also lot of source code and other projects that is confidential. I also have lot of other people's data because I fix lot of computers and usually keep a backup of their stuff for a few years so they don't come back at me saying they're missing something. (been caught with that before).

If the block walls arn't an issue on the concrete floor, I may go that route, and yes I was also thinking after if I do go that route then I need to do something for the ceiling otherwise the whole thing is pointless. The fact that it also acts as a fire proof room is another reason to do this. Really I'm leaning more and more towards that now, though I'm looking at quite a lot of work so I need to weigh if it really is worth going through all that.

If I do decide to just stick to wood, think having the studs spaced closer and other mentioned ideas would do the trick for the majority of thieves? Basically it will be near impossible to break in by hand, and most thieves probably don't carry big power tools. The whole thing would be hidden to begin with, so perhaps most thieves would not even notice it right away.

I also forgot that some alarms use a cell service, think I will call ADT and other companies and see what they have to offer me. Basically I just need to make the room take enough time to get in so the police can arrive. This is not a big town, probably 5-10 minutes at most for them to arrive. I also work 10ish minutes from home, if I have the alarm call me too I could just leave work and go check out what's going on.

So far noone has broken into the house, so I may be worrying for nothing, but after 2 break ins to my car, it seems they are persistent and want something. It could be someone that knows me and knows I have lot of IT stuff in my house. My thinking is they are testing to see what my reaction is like if I install an alarm system or do other measures. Maybe the alarm system alone and the stickers will make them go away.
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Wouldn't a dog be cheaper?
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Wouldn't a dog be cheaper?
Come on now Bud, think about it.
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Wouldn't a dog be cheaper?
One that sniffs absolute paranoia too?
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I'm always gone from the house because I work all day, I'd feel bad to leave a dog alone all the time. I have a cat, but cats don't mind it as much as they are more independent.

And a crook is just going to kill it anyway. There was a pretty brutal series of B&E's a couple years back where they would trash the houses and put any small pets in the microwave and leave. People are completely soulless when they break into houses. While some are there for loot, others are just there for fun and just want to make other people's lives miserable.

It's not so much paranoia, as it is preventative measures. It's not a matter of if it happens, but a matter of when. The two break ins I got were very minor and nothing big was really touched, but it's a matter of time till they decide to go all out and start doing more damage and taking more.

Though I've been thinking this over, my best bet is a good alarm system, and then just overbuild that room and make it hidden, no need to go with the cinder block construction. I just want it to be hard enough to break into that they'll be discouraged and hide it so they may not even see it in first place. By the time they do any damage the cops will have arrived.

They also make wifi robots with a camera so I could also use that to check up on the house when I'm gone for long. Interestingly enough once I get my new job, I'll be working at a NOC, which is basically monitoring stuff, so I can always monitor my house at the same time. I really want to install cameras too, I just can't seem to find any small outdoor cameras that will survive -50's. The alarm system is probably the best defense though, while the cameras will record evidence.

The fact that they were smart enough to steal the garage door opener shows that they know what they are doing, to some extent. They'll be back, and be more prepared.
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