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Old 12-03-2009, 02:24 PM   #1
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Hello,
I have a few code related questions? First is there a minimum standard size for closets in a bedroom? I know for it to be an offical "bedroom" there needs to be a closet in each room, but I am not sure if there is a minimum size for these closets. I am rearranging the layout of two bedrooms and one is going to have a larger walk in closet and the other is going to be smaller one. Also, can non loadbearing walls with no electrical (Inside closet, interior) Be frame with anything smaller than 2X3? Like 2x2 or 2X3, 2x4's run the other way. lastly, does anyone know if in Massachusetts a homeowner can do their own electrical (with a permit) or does an electrician need to pull the permit. I know plumbing that is the case, but unsure about electrical.
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Old 12-03-2009, 07:35 PM   #2
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To fit a clothes hanger on a pole approx 24" depth is needed
More is better
As far as width I'm not sure if there is a Min, our older house they are 4' wide
The old Master bedroom had 2 this size
New Master bedroom will have a walk-in closet

I'm in MA & have pulled all my Electric permits & do my own work

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To fit a clothes hanger on a pole approx 24" depth is needed
More is better
As far as width I'm not sure if there is a Min, our older house they are 4' wide
The old Master bedroom had 2 this size
New Master bedroom will have a walk-in closet

I'm in MA & have pulled all my Electric permits & do my own work
How do you pull your own permit? You're in Plymouth county, right?
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Old 12-03-2009, 07:58 PM   #4
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I go into the building Dept & fill out the paperwork, pay the fee & get a permit
Never had the slightest problem
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Do you need to be liscenced? here in va they now make it that way to minimize diyer's which is ok on the one hand but intrusive on the other
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Working on your own house, here.....No license
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used to be that way here. and thats how you spell license thamks
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Bad idea IMO, just means people will do the work without a permit or inspection
Of course there will always be some people who will do that
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No code-based minimum size on a clothes closet that I've ever heard of. Honestly there's nothing in the code that mandates a closet in a bedroom either. However, plans examiners and inspectors will almost always call it a bedroom if there's a clothes closet in the room (as opposed to office, craft room, multipurpose room, etc).

I'm not in a 2x3 market, we don't have them here. So I can't say for sure. I can say that the code doesn't make any provisions for load bearing 2x2 walls or for walls with the studs oriented flat-ways. I'd be willing to bet that 2x3 bearing walls aren't going to fly.
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I think the key to being able to call a room a bedroom is an adequate sized egress. Closet shouldn't matter for a "legal" bedroom, it's more of a practical use issue.
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In MA, a bedroom is defined in the septic code IF you are on septic. This is because the size of the septic system for single family residences is determined by the number of bedrooms, hence a definition of bedroom is required.

I am not going to quote the entire definition, you can find it in Section 15.002 of 310 CMR 15.000 (the septic regulations), but here are the highlights:

Floor space at least 70 square feet
A ceiling height no less than 7'3" (new construction only)
Existing houses and mobile homes, ceiling height minimum 7'0"
An electrical service and ventilation
At least one window

If you are not on septic, I am not certain what the definition of a bedroom is in MA.
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Codes typically refer to "sleeping rooms", and that is what it is, a room used for sleeping. In determining sleeping room requirements, e.g. smoke detector, opening for emergency escape and rescue, minimum floor area, apply to a room a code official will typically look to see if that room has privacy and storage. e.g. a door and a closet. If your building dept. will be reviewing or inspecting the work you will want to check with them on what they perceive the minimum size of the framing lumber should be for a non-bearing partition. My opinion is that 2 X 4s and 2 X 3s on the flat are fine for a non-bearing partition that is having 1/2" or 5/8" gypsum board applied to both sides. However be aware that 2 X 3s are often spruce and twist. 2X4s are the better choice.

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