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Old 11-03-2008, 10:05 AM   #76
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Well, the building inspector came out today. He claims that he can't do anything about the framing until it is rough framed and they get the rough frame inspection.

His exact words were "It don't look good, but it will probably pass code inspection from us"

He is requiring the guy to dig down beside 2 of the footers before he completes the footer inspection. He wants to see how deep they are dug.

I NEED HELP! Getting the code violations in my own report to give to the inspector. He wasn't too keen on me telling him in person. I want it in writing to send to the Building Inspector's Office.

We are using 2003 IRC

1. He claims that it is NOT against code to attach a ledger board to T1-11 siding.
2. He agrees that flashing should have been installed.
3. He claims that code only requires a 12" wide footer dug 12" deep. He will verify the footing depth when the contractor calls him again.
4. He claims that as long as the footer is correct, you can pour 5 inches of concrete in a "2nd pour" and the posts will not move.

I also measured over the weekend and I have 2x8 joists, 2x8 outer band. The longest joist span is 11 feet, 9 inches, with 2x8 that is notched 1.5 inches.

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Old 11-08-2008, 01:40 AM   #77
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I did a search on this thread so that I could show it to my girlfriend. I told her that she would not believe the work that was done on your home. She was out of town for a teachers conference when this thread started, so I assumed that there would have been a great resolve to your problem by now. I can not believe that you local inspector has found this work to be adequate! As I read through your post on Halloween, the first thing that came to my mind was the fact that there were no joist hangers. 2nd was that there were no footers, 3rd, that the rafters ran the long distance versus the short run from existing roof to end, and well, the list seems to go on and on, but yet you say that the inspector had little problem with the structure??? I, like others have stated, was sure that once an inspector had seen this, he would have given you the bad news that the entire structure was going to have to be taken down and redone correctly. Is he somehow related to the contractor? Is there someone above him that you can appeal to? I would feel terrible about doing work like that for someone, let alone if I had hired someone to do that work for me!
Another concern I would have (even if by some stretch of the imagination that SC allows that kind of construction) is if your home-owners policy will cover you if someone is injured WHEN (not IF) it fails.
Please keep us updated, because to be honest with you, I find this very scary and almost hard to believe.
Maybe Florida codes are a bit more strict than other states, but I would think that some things (like joist hangers) were standard in all states. And if I understand your whole post correctly, that long run across the front of the house is also to support a roof??? I really do hope you get this resolved as it could be dangerous for not only you, but the future owners of the home.
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Old 11-08-2008, 06:28 AM   #78
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I have found the building inspector in my area to be useless.

Had a roof and soffit/facia/gutter installation done back in June.

Permits were required, but the "contractor" I hired never pulled them. I had looked at his previouswork and talked to previous customers, and all seemed fine....so I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.

The work overall seemed generally OK to me, but there were numerous issues along the way.....in the end, the guy refused to fix the things that needed fixed.....many aesthetic issues (you buy new soffit/facia for the aesthetics, remember) and several major mechanical issues including two major leaks.....I had been paying the guy all along in order to try and be reasonable.....in the end, there wasa long list of things, at minimum that needed to be done.....I was dumb enough to make a substantial payment the day that the guy said "we are done for the most part but will be back to finish up".....I did holdback $1,000 thinking that was enough of a incetive....well, didnt hear from the guy for 3 weeks.....found out in the meantime that it would cost over $3k to fix JUST the leaks.....well, luckily this shyster still hadnt cashed the check I gave him 3 weeks (!!!) earlier....and I put astop on it andsent him a letter saying I did so....THEN I heard from him and he made all sorts of excuses.....Basically we fired him at that point and started getting othercontractors to look at the situation....manywouldnt TOUCH the work...they all wanted to do a tear-off and start over.....We luckily found one guy who specializes in repairs of this nature.....he did a beautiful job fromn what I can tell and no more leaks.....but I have numerous other issues remaining and am out of money.

The building inspector has refused to get involved, saying this is an issue between me and the contractor.

Apparantly , in my area, all building inspectors do is collect the tax from contractors who choose to follow the law and pull permits. What a waste.

I am currently gathering info and estomates on what itwill cost to fix thesoffit/facia and gutters...so far, again, everyone wants to rip off and redo it all......

The BBB is a waste of time......havent tried the attorney general in my state yet but have been told it isalso a waste of time.

The WORST part is that this guy, when we fired him, said he would be filing a lien on our house to collect the money in the stopped check and hung up on us. That was almost 4 months ago.
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I have found the building inspector in my area to be useless.

Had a roof and soffit/facia/gutter installation done back in June.

Permits were required, but the "contractor" I hired never pulled them. I had looked at his previouswork and talked to previous customers, and all seemed fine....so I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.

The work overall seemed generally OK to me, but there were numerous issues along the way.....in the end, the guy refused to fix the things that needed fixed.....many aesthetic issues (you buy new soffit/facia for the aesthetics, remember) and several major mechanical issues including two major leaks.....I had been paying the guy all along in order to try and be reasonable.....in the end, there wasa long list of things, at minimum that needed to be done.....I was dumb enough to make a substantial payment the day that the guy said "we are done for the most part but will be back to finish up".....I did holdback $1,000 thinking that was enough of a incetive....well, didnt hear from the guy for 3 weeks.....found out in the meantime that it would cost over $3k to fix JUST the leaks.....well, luckily this shyster still hadnt cashed the check I gave him 3 weeks (!!!) earlier....and I put astop on it andsent him a letter saying I did so....THEN I heard from him and he made all sorts of excuses.....Basically we fired him at that point and started getting othercontractors to look at the situation....manywouldnt TOUCH the work...they all wanted to do a tear-off and start over.....We luckily found one guy who specializes in repairs of this nature.....he did a beautiful job fromn what I can tell and no more leaks.....but I have numerous other issues remaining and am out of money.

The building inspector has refused to get involved, saying this is an issue between me and the contractor.

Apparantly , in my area, all building inspectors do is collect the tax from contractors who choose to follow the law and pull permits. What a waste.

I am currently gathering info and estomates on what itwill cost to fix thesoffit/facia and gutters...so far, again, everyone wants to rip off and redo it all......

The BBB is a waste of time......havent tried the attorney general in my state yet but have been told it isalso a waste of time.

The WORST part is that this guy, when we fired him, said he would be filing a lien on our house to collect the money in the stopped check and hung up on us. That was almost 4 months ago.
If your contractor puts a lein on your house for the money owed, go and post a bond on the lein.
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Thanks to all who replied. I agree with Shadango. The Building Inspector is useless. I think he knew the contractor.

On Friday, we reached an oral agreement. I told him we would split the $3,000. He would keep $1500, and he would pay me back $1500. He agreed to these terms and we have parted ways. I realized that we were both going to lose on this deal and it was better to take this loss and tear it down and start over.

The problem now is, I signed the agreement, but he hasn't faxed it back to me.

I'm probably going to lose the whole thing. Pretty ridiculous but you can't trust anyone these days. I have a sour taste in my mouth for builders. I guess I could blame the US government for putting us in a financial bind that causes these people to take even more shortcuts.
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If your contractor puts a lein on your house for the money owed, go and post a bond on the lein.
Bob, what does this do?
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it keeps him from collecting any interest on the money he will loose. if you loose you just pay the initial cost of the amount held. I have heard this being done but do not have any experience for posting one. I would speak to your attorney, Good Luck BOB
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I am not sure how I could lose, really.....I am nervous just because I am that type...everyone who has heard/seen my story thinks I would win hands down, though I know nothing is 100%....

Basically, like I said, he packed up and left the job with numerous things remaining to be done promising he would be back....

He talked me into a $1,000 hold-back to ensure he would come back (I should have refused to pay him at all, but wanted to be a "good guy").....he even signed an agreement that said he would forfiet the $1,000 if he didn't complete the repairs by a certain date (we gave hin two weeks...he had already spent 4 weeks on a job that he and other contractors said would take about 1.5 weeks total)........he then proceed to never call us again.

Turns out that the $1,000 he volunteered to forfeit was a tiny percentage of the cost it will require to do the job over.

My problem with posting a bond (which I had considered) is that I end up paying interest on it anyways...I dont have $3,000 laying around so it would have to come out of my home equity line...so I would end up paying interest on it anyways.

Also, I have since hired another roofer to come and fix the biggest issues (two major leaks and the ridgevent was peeling off the house as it was installed with 1.25" nails....not even enough length to make it thru the shingles to thedeck!)

Here is are links to some pictures of the work that had to be redone on a roof that was only 3 months old....to the tune of $3600....if anyone is interested...sorry to hijack this porch thread...I just wanted the original poster to know he is NOT alone!

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http://s349.photobucket.com/albums/q...view=slideshow

Before and after photos of work to correct leaks and ridgventing
http://s349.photobucket.com/albums/q...view=slideshow


Photos of what my contractor called "framing" -- before and after --- I was charged a few hundred dollars to do the extra "fraiming he did...in this case, basically tacking two 2x4s to rotted wood...he was supposed to fix any issues, at extra cost of course....instead he decided to tack the 2x4s up.....I decided to redo it all myself...I couldnt remove the one 2x4 he tacked up as he had nailed parts of the roof to i and I didnt want to cause an issue....I figured I couldnt do any worse than what he did....I replaced a section of the sill, the rear ledger board and sistered a new board into the right ledger board....
http://s349.photobucket.com/albums/q...view=slideshow


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