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Old 11-01-2008, 09:03 AM   #61
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Old 11-01-2008, 09:09 AM   #62
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How do you put joist hangers on a end-notched board that is sitting on a 2x2?
you don't I work for a guy 25 years ago that did them that way with a cheat and notch the end so not hanger I always use hangers and the 2x2 can be taken off and hangers can be installed and if the notch bothers you square at notch and ad a 2xwhatever the joist are there are ways to get things none without completely removing
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Old 11-01-2008, 09:55 AM   #63
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Normally I am a electrician myself but to see the construction something like this now.,, that is insensť { insane } !!!!

I don't see any hangers there at all.

That will be a good chance that it will have to come down and redo it again with proper materals and codewise.

Senice you mention you live in South Carolina right .,, that part of Hurranie area and there is additon codes it will show up there.

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Thanks Marc, I live in the upstate of South Carolina. We get high winds and ice storms, but no hurricanes. I'm 3 hours inland. I do not believe we have hurricane strap requirements.
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you don't I work for a guy 25 years ago that did them that way with a cheat and notch the end so not hanger I always use hangers and the 2x2 can be taken off and hangers can be installed and if the notch bothers you square at notch and ad a 2xwhatever the joist are there are ways to get things none without completely removing
I'm not following you Rob. I can't put a hanger on a notched board because the simpson strongtie hanger only supports 1.5 inches of the joist. If the 1.5 inches of the joist is already notched out and removed, I can't very well put a joist hanger on it and call it a day.

You are the only person who believes this could be done correctly without removing the whole thing and starting from scratch.
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One thing that bothers me the most is the girder being supported by the T-111 siding. That is a lot of pressure to be supported by a piece of siding, not to mention if it pulled away from the wall it wouldn't have far to go before it came down. Overall it is all poorly constructed, IMO. I have a feeling once the inspector takes a look at all this mess, he will order it all removed and started over.
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Old 11-01-2008, 12:44 PM   #66
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The bottom line is that we are not there and can't see all the details of the job.

But we all agree that it is a nasty looking job with some serious concerns about the structure.

Now that you have a permit have the inspector come out and see what he says. He will write a report and you should get a copy of it.

Once you get the copy of the report you can use that to pursue a case against the contractor at the state contractors board so you can get your money back.

If the contractors board finds in your favor then you can go to small claims court to get any money that you are out. He has a 2 million liability policy so you would be guaranteed to get your money back.

I would also file a complaint at the BBB right away. He already has one complaint that was resolved but getting another complaint will give people pause before they hire him.

Everything hinges on what he inspector says and writes. If he finds the work acceptable you are pretty much screwed unless you want to take your chances in small claims. If you decide to go that route get some more opinions from other contractors and have then write a report. If it costs you money then you can add that on to your claim at small claims court.

Keep detailed records of any costs and a diary of contacts of everything that happens. Be precise and include pertinent quotes as necessary. At this point documentation is everything.
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was there a deck roof there to begin with,here in cincinnati if it was one there before you can rebuild it without plans using footer that are there if not you would need a set of approved plans so I'm thinking you don't have plans,if you did the inspector would be involved regards Rob
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I'm a carpenter and hated english don't spell very well but I'm a very good carpenter and I don't believe punctuation is going to make anything better
Making an effort to use decent punctuation and grammar, is a consideration to others on the site, especially to those who read your posts. Lack of it, makes it hard to understand/comprehend what someone is saying.

Realistically, none of us can say we have perfect spelling/punctuation at all times.
But, please, could you at least, make "some-what" of an effort, out of consideration for others, and so that they may better understand your posts?

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Old 11-01-2008, 07:40 PM   #69
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Wow! That is some heinous work.

Unfortunately, it's more common than you might think. I was recently hired to rebuild the support structure of a deck that was failing. I'm in the northeast (CT) and the code for pier depth here is 42". The piers that were in place when I started were no more than 18" deep! The whole deck was out of square and level due to this. The piers had all moved and/or canted and actually broke in half in one place. The guys who originally built the deck were part of the developer's team and built many more very similar to this one.

I was also hired to rebuild a deck that had actually collapsed. Different neighborhood and developer, but similar shoddy construction. This deck was 12' wide and was 7' off the ground and the ledger board was only 6' long! AND it was attached to the house with NAILS ONLY! AND the footers were just resting on the piers, just like your 4x4 on the sidewalk. No wonder the thing came down. The H.O. and his wife were on it at the time. Both received injuries.
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Have you considered calling the local TV station to see if they might be interested in doing one of those "We're on your side" type of stories?
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was there a deck roof there to begin with,here in cincinnati if it was one there before you can rebuild it without plans using footer that are there if not you would need a set of approved plans so I'm thinking you don't have plans,if you did the inspector would be involved regards Rob
No, there wasn't. In my county, unfortunately, plans are not needed on additions to a home. Pretty sad, but true.

On another note, I don't have a problem reading your "missing punctuation" posts. I can understand everything you are trying to help with. I know it is a huge pet peeve on web forums, but it is not really one of mine.

Thanks for the reply.
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Wow! That is some heinous work.

Unfortunately, it's more common than you might think.

I was also hired to rebuild a deck that had actually collapsed. Different neighborhood and developer, but similar shoddy construction. This deck was 12' wide and was 7' off the ground and the ledger board was only 6' long! AND it was attached to the house with NAILS ONLY! AND the footers were just resting on the piers, just like your 4x4 on the sidewalk. No wonder the thing came down. The H.O. and his wife were on it at the time. Both received injuries.
That is exactly what I am afraid of. I have a large family of 7. The wife and I and 5 boys ages 13, 11, 9, 3, 1. We also are the "hangout" for neighbors kids. They all play at our house. During the summer each year, my wife's family plans a reunion, and we plan on having everyone here. 31 children to be exact, plus adults. It will not be a great test for this porch.
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Have you considered calling the local TV station to see if they might be interested in doing one of those "We're on your side" type of stories?
Joe, thanks for the great idea. I didn't think about it, but if the inspector passes it, I will certainly contact them and see what can be done.
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One thing that bothers me the most is the girder being supported by the T-111 siding. That is a lot of pressure to be supported by a piece of siding, not to mention if it pulled away from the wall it wouldn't have far to go before it came down. Overall it is all poorly constructed, IMO. I have a feeling once the inspector takes a look at all this mess, he will order it all removed and started over.
Actually the Girder AND the Gable End is supported on the T1-11 siding.
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This why you take out permits,so if you don't know what's right, the inspector WILL. HE would find anything that's not right! That being said, it looks like you are missing hangers and bolts. The thing now is to make sure that the hangers nails and other fasteners are rated for current treated lumber. I believe that the roof and deck can be corrected without completely tkaing apart. Just need to put the hangers in the right places and the 4x4's do need to be attached. If not they will twist and bow! Regards Rob
Thinking that what you said is useful, I have added some punctuation in your post.
As you were willing to assist with advice for the porch, I thought that it would be fair to offer some asistance, on your behalf.
Hope you are OK with this!
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