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Old 10-30-2008, 09:31 AM   #31
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if i understand this right the guy can't measure, doesn't know code, has total disdain for the building inspector, expects gravity to hold things up,and never heard of windshear. oh yes he also dosn't realize that notching reduces the whole joist to the strength of the width of the notch. miss anything?
Yeah, apparently he's also a well respected, licensed gc with good references... .

Who is actually doing the work, the gc's 3yr old kid? (no offense to 3 yr olds.)

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This entire structure needs to be removed from the house. You might be able to salvage the wood, but not the structure.
Stevie Wonder with a chain saw could do a better job.
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Thanks for the help. Is there a structural engineer or someone I can contact other than the building inspector who can tell me that this structure isn't sound. I realize that it is not, and it is quite obvious by the photos, but this guy is clueless, and unless I sick the dogs on him, he's not likely to budge. I'm out $3,000, which I could probably get back from him in court, but what do I do in the meantime if I don't have the full amount to have the job taken over by someone else?

I need a professional structural engineer or someone who can come out and say "That structure won't make it" so that he can be told and he will have to either tear it down or give me my money back. If I say it's not structurally sound, he's got one excuse after another (remember, he thinks he's the expert and I am the lowly homeowner). I already plan on saying "Give me the $3,000 back and we'll both just walk away from this", but I don't see it happening, I need a backup plan.

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I need a professional structural engineer...
Assuming the address is correct from the contractor...here's a list of engineers in the general area. If it's not, go to Google maps, type the name of town, state, and engineer. You'll get some hits in the local area.

What did the BBB have to say when you called them?

Have you talked to the local DA like MarvinGardens suggested?
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Assuming the address is correct from the contractor...here's a list of engineers in the general area. If it's not, go to Google maps, type the name of town, state, and engineer. You'll get some hits in the local area.

What did the BBB have to say when you called them?

Have you talked to the local DA like MarvinGardens suggested?
The BBB said he is listed as a member, but I'm not too impressed with her explanation. He's listed on the website, he's doing nothing wrong, because he responded to 1 dispute previously.
Marvin Suggested the DA if he was operating without a license. I confirmed his GC license through SC department of labor and licensing. He's legit for licensing, but they should definitely start licensing hammers and tape measures before they sell them at home depot.

There is no telling what his crew's credentials are.
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A structural engineer will cost you between $500-800. to come out there and look at the job and write a report. Maybe more, depending on distance to the site.
Did this contractor have vehicles with his name on them?
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You can try calling another contractor and see if he would be willing to write a report as to the structures deficiencies. A Home Inspector might also work. They will be less expensive then the engineer.Addedinfo

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His previous actions doesn't keep you from filing a complaint. WRT the DA...your right...I went back and re-read the post.

Looks like you have to get a hold of an engineer...and wait for the building inspector. Post back as things progress...
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The building inspector will tell you if it is sound or not. This is legal in court since he is considered a government expert. Wait till he looks at this pile of lumber (can't really call it anything else).

Let us know what he said.

Above all proceed slowly. Don't get too many things going at once.

Is the guy doing the work the owner of the company? Or is he an employee?
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A structural engineer will cost you between $500-800. to come out there and look at the job and write a report. Maybe more, depending on distance to the site.
Did this contractor have vehicles with his name on them?
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You can try calling another contractor and see if he would be willing to write a report as to the structures deficiencies. A Home Inspector might also work. They will be less expensive then the engineer. Added info
Thanks Ron, at this point, I am so stressed with this, I'd throw $500 away to save myself $8,000 or more later. I called another contractor, he never showed. He was going to do this as a favor and tell me what he would do to fix it. My contractor's vehicle didn't have his name on it.

UPDATE: I received an email response from the local bbb and asked them specifically if XXX Company was a "member" of the BBB. Now, they say they are not members...

A member of the BBB means they meet our standards for membership including being properly licensed, in business a year or have previous business history, they agree to answer the bureau on complaints to help to resolve any issues, agree to arbitration if needed, etc.
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Is the guy doing the work the owner of the company? Or is he an employee?
The guy is the owner/contractor/subcontractor. He told me that the guys on the site are employed by him, not subcontractors.
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Thanks Ron, at this point, I am so stressed with this, I'd throw $500 away to save myself $8,000 or more later. I called another contractor, he never showed. He was going to do this as a favor and tell me what he would do to fix it. My contractor's vehicle didn't have his name on it.

UPDATE: I received an email response from the local bbb and asked them specifically if XXX Company was a "member" of the BBB. Now, they say they are not members...

A member of the BBB means they meet our standards for membership including being properly licensed, in business a year or have previous business history, they agree to answer the bureau on complaints to help to resolve any issues, agree to arbitration if needed, etc.
Don't know if this is allowed or not but can you post his business and phone. I can do some searching for you. If you can get the owners name that would be good also.

Give me his web site also.

If this is not allowed on this forum then send me all the information you have in a PM.
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Whatever you do to get this fixed, do not apply for a permit yourself. If you do, it makes you the general contractor and then makes you responsible for code violations. And if you have to take this contractor to court to recover your costs, then the issue of who took out the permit will come into play. The cost is minimal for a permit compared to any construction job.
Don't listen to his claims that things can be fixed. This guy is pretending to be a contractor. Start the proceedings for your claim in small claims court. Get some documentation to show that the work is not acceptable from other contractors or building inspectors.

I find it peculiar that your citys licensing bureau asked you to apply for a permit before their inspector can come out. In my city, any of my neighbors can call to complain about the lack of a permit not being displayed for all to see on the construction project and a inspector will come out during construction to find out why.
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Old 10-30-2008, 10:55 AM   #42
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Here are a couple of my thoughts after reading through this.

I would not let the contractor step foot on the job site unless:

1. He’s returning your $3000.
2. He’s dropping off the building permit.
3. The issue is resolved to your satisfaction and he’s coming back to work.

Before spending money on an engineer or home inspector (you can always do that later), you might try talking to the local inspector and see if he’ll do a “courtesy” look. Explain the “Catch 22” you’re in, i.e. no inspection without the permit and the contractor hasn’t pulled the permit. I would think the inspector would be sympathetic, if nothing else you can establish a rapport with him. I’d also find out who you need to speak to about questioning the licensing credentials.

It sounds to me that your “desired outcome” is to get your $3000 back and start over. To do that, it needs to become clear to the contractor that it will be MUCH less painful to give you your money back than to continue. Some of the levers you might be able to use against him are to let him know, 1. You are going after his license, 2. You are going to research his previous work and see if permits were pulled and notify the appropriate individuals if they weren’t, 3.You are going to take him to small claims court for the $3000 plus the cost of demolition.

Keep in mind, you don’t have to do any of these things if you don’t want to, he just needs to believe you’ll take it that far or further. Good luck!!!
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Don't know if this is allowed or not but can you post his business and phone. I can do some searching for you. If you can get the owners name that would be good also.

Give me his web site also.

If this is not allowed on this forum then send me all the information you have in a PM.
He owns both of these companies. registered to the same address according to bbb.
H&D Construction LLC
The Renovators LLC - this is who I hired.

partner: Shannon C. Davidson - he's the one who is contracting for my front porch.

other partner: Chris Hicks

http://www.handdconstructionllc.com/
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He owns both of these companies. registered to the same address according to bbb.
H&D Construction LLC
The Renovators LLC - this is who I hired.

partner: Shannon C. Davidson - he's the one who is contracting for my front porch.

other partner: Chris Hicks

http://www.handdconstructionllc.com/
And what state and city are you located near?
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