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Michele1 05-25-2013 09:11 PM

column building
 
I am having 3 brick columns built on my concrete slab patio, which e 4 inches thick with rebar. I would like to know will the brick columns buckle or weigh down the concrete patio?:eek:

funfool 05-25-2013 10:25 PM

HUH?
Anything you build will sit on the concrete and weigh it down, you will not need to worry about it flying away.
Will the current 3.5" concrete hold your new columns? Of course not, you want footings for that.

tony.g 05-26-2013 07:14 AM

Whether or not your slab would support the weight depends on;
  • the plan-size of the columns;
  • the total dead- and live loads the columns would carry;
  • the spacing of the columns;
  • the specification of the concrete;
  • the size and position of rebar;
  • the position of the columns in relation to the edge of the slab.
In some circumstances, it's just possible your slab might support them, though it's unlikely.

And your code would probably prohibit that anyway.

Willie T 05-26-2013 07:51 AM

Did you hope you would get different answers by posting the same question in a different forum room? :)

All of us pretty much read most of the forums. You'll not likely be able to shop till you find just the answer you want. Oh, you certainly CAN, but the facts will still remain the facts.

MJ Force 05-26-2013 10:55 AM

If your having these columns built for you by a mason, they could likely determine that the patio slab is not suitable to support the specific weight. Given the few details you provided such as the intension for these columns, I would suggest this;

Cut and remove the slab to the size of the given columns and expose the ground. Dig holes deep enough to reach below the frost line for your area. Pour a footing of concrete flush to the hight of your patio surface or slightly above. Keep the footing isolated from the patio edges about a 1/2" all around. Build your columns on top of these new footings. There will be no weight on your slab and there will be room for any slight movement between the slab and footing.

If this sounds like a suitable solution to you I'm sure anyone here could give you more instructions on how to cut concrete and form footings for brick columns.

Willie T 05-26-2013 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MJ Force (Post 1187979)
If your having these columns built for you by a mason, they could likely determine that the patio slab is not suitable to support the specific weight. Given the few details you provided such as the intension for these columns, I would suggest this;

Cut and remove the slab to the size of the given columns and expose the ground. Dig holes deep enough to reach below the frost line for your area. Pour a footing of concrete flush to the hight of your patio surface or slightly above. Keep the footing isolated from the patio edges about a 1/2" all around. Build your columns on top of these new footings. There will be no weight on your slab and there will be room for any slight movement between the slab and footing.

If this sounds like a suitable solution to you I'm sure anyone here could give you more instructions on how to cut concrete and form footings for brick columns.

Good advice. I think the only information missing is that when you get down to footer depth, you are going to have to start digging sideways, in all directions, to make room for a footing at least 4" (better to have 6") wider than the column hole. That's 4" wider on all sides... and it should have two or three rebars running in two directions. (crisscrossed).

MJ Force 05-26-2013 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Willie T
you are going to have to start digging sideways, in all directions, to make room for a footing at least 4" (better to have 6") wider than the column hole. That's 4" wider on all sides... and it should have two or three rebars running in two directions. (crisscrossed).

Yes exactly. Especially if there's anything being built ontop of these brick columns such as railings or posts for a roof.

Fix'n it 05-27-2013 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Michele1 (Post 1187604)
I am having 3 brick columns built on my concrete slab patio, which e 4 inches thick with rebar. I would like to know will the brick columns buckle or weigh down the concrete patio?:eek:

i would have to see pics. but i think they would be ok. but they would have to be SECURED down.


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