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Old 07-22-2011, 01:40 PM   #16
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I personally prefer the SRW as it is a common product that isn't a mystery. I know before I even step over the curb what the system is, how it might fail, what it cost to replace, etc.

The Ledger stone can be done is a multitude of ways and not all are correct. You can't always tell the incorrect methods until it falls apart. Just had that problem on my office building. The contractor is a cheap skate and didn't prep the concrete wall at all. he just slapped the stone up. 2 years later a stone falls off, so he calls the repair man. The repair man finds out that the entire wall (10' high, 50' long) has delaminated and is holding together only by the exposed grout between the stone. With one shovel pry, and entire 20' section fell to the ground. Another pry, and another 20'. They spent more time talking about how ****ty the prep job was than they did taking it down. So what looked like a minor repair is actually going to be a complete redo.

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Old 08-01-2011, 11:04 AM   #17
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Here are some pics of where I'm at. I've decided to go ahead with CMU wall (I guess I like to make my life more difficult! - and wife likes the panels).

Here is where I'm at. Building L-shaped CMU wall, total height to be flush with porch. Porch and new CMU wall will be capped with bluestone tread. Short end of L wall will host 3 steps up to porch. I have no clue how to frame out the steps with the CMU's and if I should just throw the concrete down into entire digging (with forms at top, topping til 4" below grade to start wall), or form out narrower forms in various places.

Any suggestions, advice, ideas, etc., four letter words about my skill level, all welcome...... . Ground is all firm at this point, and tamped. Have not finished setting up rebar as you can see. I also intend on putting in some vertical rebar through footer to go through grouted CMU's, and perhaps bond-beam along top of wall under footer. Total wall is 1.5' or so over grade.

1st pic below (with firepit in middle) - the wall in this pic in appearance is exactly like what I'm trying to achieve (though in just L-shape) - and end posts in this is what I want to achieve in the 90 degree turn in L at corner which is why I dug out a bit extra in corner.

2nd pic below - i would like to put some lights similar to these on wall/steps/post. How to achieve this. Drill and wire after wall or setup wires (where/how) into mortar, or under bluestone caps before adhering to top?)

3rd pic below with steps - i would construct steps similar to this style, but top of steps will be flush up to porch. No idea how to deal with footer and block layout / setup for steps here?

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Old 08-01-2011, 11:07 AM   #18
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Here are pics - read above post - this is what I WANT it to look like. See next post for where I'm up to...
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Now these are where I'm at...have at me guys! Up to setting up rebar. Ready for insults and advice!

No idea why there is a romex run down there (and why it's not protected with some sort of pipe). The only electrical item I have down after porch there are A/C units and those have electrical coming from elsewhere I think), and no landscape lighting down there. Also, should I just pull out that sprinkler head/flex pipe out of the whole pour and area (seen in long run of L), and deal with after wall is done?
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Any input update based on my above pics?

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Sorry, just too much to comment on all at one time. So, let's start at the beginning: Are you going to form one or both sides of the footing to save a little concrete? Or do you at least plan on using rebar for height stakes?
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Sorry, just too much to comment on all at one time. So, let's start at the beginning: Are you going to form one or both sides of the footing to save a little concrete? Or do you at least plan on using rebar for height stakes?
1 - Not sure I'm clear on the question: I was planning to use 2x4 or 2x6 to form front and back of top of footing all along the L so I can screed/level and have a continuous even footing (with consistent block toe and heel) to lay the block. Should I bother with this or just pour and level?

2 - I was planning on using stakes attached to outer edges of my 2x's to hold forms level and at 4" at top below grade for 1/2 block below grade start.

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Thanks for replying!



1 - Not sure I'm clear on the question: I was planning to use 2x4 or 2x6 to form front and back of top of footing all along the L so I can screed/level and have a continuous even footing (with consistent block toe and heel) to lay the block. Should I bother with this or just pour and level?

This makes sense, and will both save you a little concrete, as well as give you somewhere to stand to screed the top off.

2 - I was planning on using stakes attached to outer edges of my 2x's to hold forms level and at 4" at top below grade for 1/2 block below grade start.

Thanks again for input!
The second point has me confused...........
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I think you were just asking if that I did not use wood forms, if I were then going to use some sort of stakes to keep proper height of pour?

I was just saying that I was going to stake my forms to hold them to proper height, that's all.
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Looks like you're off to a good start. I would look into fixing that random romex. Should be in conduit.

As for running power in the wall for lighting, run conduit in the wall as you build it and then you can pull wiring once the wall is complete and fixtures are ready for an install.
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Looks like you're off to a good start. I would look into fixing that random romex. Should be in conduit.

As for running power in the wall for lighting, run conduit in the wall as you build it and then you can pull wiring once the wall is complete and fixtures are ready for an install.
Thanks for replying again and staying with me! Need all the help I can get!

1 - I didn't know what to do with the romex so I was going to pull it back so it's accessible behind the pour (between the cmu wall and porch), so can work with it after the footing pour.

2 - Can you detail a bit more about how to run conduit through the wall as I build? Where do I locate within wall? What sort of wire/conduit is best for this purpose? Should they already be setup as you lay block coming straight out of drilled exact spot for light similar to when putting up drywall outlet/switch/light? Not clear on this area. Thank you so much again!
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too much to comment on all at one time.
Anything else on your mind following the forms issue you brought up first?

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Can you detail a bit more about how to run conduit through the wall as I build? Where do I locate within wall? What sort of wire/conduit is best for this purpose? Should they already be setup as you lay block coming straight out of drilled exact spot for light similar to when putting up drywall outlet/switch/light? Not clear on this area. Thank you so much again!
Yes, you need to layout the electrical conduit and boxes as you go. You don't need to run the conductors (wiring) at this point, but the conduit needs to be installed. You can route it at the center of the wall. Chip out the block as necessary to allow the conduit to route through. I'm not an electrician, but I think the grey plastic conduit (verify this though) is sufficient for this application.
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I think you were just asking if that I did not use wood forms, if I were then going to use some sort of stakes to keep proper height of pour?

I was just saying that I was going to stake my forms to hold them to proper height, that's all.
OK, that makes more sense.

As for the lighting, we did something similar on a sitting wall and a bunch of deck posts last year. The HO's supplied the lights, and they were quite a bit smaller than the ones in your pic. Small enough to hide under the overhang of the cap. They were also low voltage, and the electricion just used some kind of Romex IIRC. He drilled a whole in the base of the wall and let the wires lay in the cavity. The lights were wired before we set the caps, and we just laid them in place in the mortar.
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I like this idea, as I think it would be nice to put a couple lights in right beneath the cap such that the light is visible but the lights are not (or barely). I think that would give a nice effect, and probably easiest to install as I can just wait until I lay the wall, then run wires from behind right over top just b/4 putting on the bluestone cap.

Thanks again.

I had the roughest time last night working on, of all things, the wood forms, and so made little progress on the forms. I bought (what now seems like a mistake) a 20 pack of 1x2 wood stakes on the cheap, instead of the steel stakes, and trying to bang them down (in already tamped/tight ground) to proper level with the 2x4's attached with nails that were too thin was a disaster. Kept coming apart from the 2x4's, nails were bending out, the wood stakes were cracking. And the 2x4's were 8' length, trying to connect and level all along a 20' length... pain. Just seems like I'm approaching the forms install all wrong.

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OK, that makes more sense.

As for the lighting, we did something similar on a sitting wall and a bunch of deck posts last year. The HO's supplied the lights, and they were quite a bit smaller than the ones in your pic. Small enough to hide under the overhang of the cap. They were also low voltage, and the electricion just used some kind of Romex IIRC. He drilled a whole in the base of the wall and let the wires lay in the cavity. The lights were wired before we set the caps, and we just laid them in place in the mortar.

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