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Old 07-27-2007, 09:02 AM   #16
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Wow, many new responses over night. Thank you everyone, really.

This is my only full bath, there is a half behind it. However, I should disclose that I am currently living in an apartment until the end of August, that is why I said time isn't really an issue (a big tree fell on my house several months ago, it's being put back together). The tub spans from wall to wall.

For the moment, this is the best picture I have of under the bathroom, I took it to highlight the water damage. I will have a better picture this evening.


You can see there is some new wood there, it is from the previous home owner trying to correct what he knew to be a problem...

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Old 07-27-2007, 09:06 AM   #17
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The only actual damaged wood that I can see in the tub area is at the corner/edge of the tub, but I have assumed that I still need to lift up the whole tub to replace that much... I'll put a level on the tub today to see if it is leaning (the toilet is!).

I will have more pictures today as I try to make a complete map of the damage.
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Old 07-27-2007, 01:12 PM   #18
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It appears that some of the floor joists have been replaced.

Did you just buy this home?

Did the seller disclose that there had been work done to the floor joists?

Was there an inspection?

Have you found any spots near the tub that water leaked down to the wood floor? It appears that the floor and vinyl are caulked. Has new caulk been installed?

Can you post a photo of the toilet drain area from the basement?

Are you sure that all this water is not coming from a toilet leak?

What is the measurement from the center of the tub drain to the center of the floor joist that runs parallel to the tub? (in the basement area)


What is the measurement from the center of the tub drain to the edge of the tub? (if you are standing inside the bathroom)
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Old 07-27-2007, 01:20 PM   #19
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It depends upon the size and availaility of another bathroom.

IF ur room is small remove it entirely and never put t back(friends will do)

IF have another bathroom which U can use then remove it make the repaia and put it back.
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Old 07-27-2007, 02:34 PM   #20
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redline,

I know where you're going with the inspection and it isn't worth getting into here...

I moved here Nov 05. Yes, the damage under the corner of the tub started when (during showers) the water dripped down the outside of the tub onto the vinyle floor and drained onto the subflooring. When I noticed this about a year ago I caulked the hell out of the whole bathroom and installed one of those triangular plastic things that are made to prevent exactly this problem. And that all worked. It was obviously a problem before I moved in, but not too much of one. Unfortunetly, the new leak (from the toilet) now has made this problem worse.

More detail: 4.5 months ago a big tree fell on the house (had to replace 1/2 the roof) and the water was turned off soon after. Well, the toilet bowles were not drained and apparently one of them developed a crack that I think is probably in the old wax seal. The toilet must have very slowly been draining these past 4.5 months through the seal and onto the subfloor because there is a lot of mold and it's fresh (none of this was present before the tree). The tank is dry, but there is still a little water in the bowl. This water also spread a little to the area under the tub that was previously slightly damaged and just made it worse.

I will have the measurements later today.

Here is a fancy graphic showing where the subfloor has been damaged, though I think that MOST of floor is ok, it just needs to dry and have the mold killed:



EDIT: The bath tub is really like this kind: http://www.bathroomfurnituredirect.c...5-ASD1206.html

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Old 07-27-2007, 06:23 PM   #21
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Well, the toilet bowles were not drained and apparently one of them developed a crack that I think is probably in the old wax seal.

Did the water in the bowl freeze?


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The tank is dry, but there is still a little water in the bowl.

Have you ever replace a wax seal?

Does the floor near the toilet feel soft?

Is the toilet bowl loose from the floor?

If you think that this is a result of the roof damage then should insurance pay for this repair?
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Old 07-27-2007, 06:24 PM   #22
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Well, the toilet bowles were not drained and apparently one of them developed a crack that I think is probably in the old wax seal.

Did the water in the bowl freeze?


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The tank is dry, but there is still a little water in the bowl.

Have you ever replace a wax seal before?

Does the floor near the toilet feel soft?

Is the toilet bowl loose from the floor?

If you think that this is a result of the roof damage then should insurance pay for this repair?
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Did the water in the bowl freeze?
No chance.

Have you ever replace a wax seal before?
No, but I'm not afraid, I've seen what it involves.

Does the floor near the toilet feel soft?
Haven't tried applying force to it... scared to do so. The toilet has always had a lean to it, it may be worse now.

Is the toilet bowl loose from the floor?
No.

If you think that this is a result of the roof damage then should insurance pay for this repair?
I wish... Nothing has ever leaked through the roof.
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Old 07-28-2007, 09:40 AM   #24
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Is the wood severely rotted under the toilet?

You may be able to just remove the bad floor sections near the tub one at a time and not have to remove the tub. It is difficult to determine with just one photo.

Who replaced the floor joists? some appear to be newer.

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Is the toilet bowl loose from the floor?
No.
I take that back, I can rock the toilet back and forth if I try a little.

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The wood under the toilet is pretty rotted, but not as rotted as under the corner of the tub.

CLICK HERE to see a photo collage of underneath the bathroom.

Here is a fancy graphic showing the joist layout... if that helps any:



Again, thank you.
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That is a darn nice collage. Obviously you are a lot better at the computer thing than I am ( not sure if I would take that as a compliment, I suck). What it basically boils down to is if you can possibly repair the problem without removing the tub then you have a much easier and less expensive job. If that tub needs to come out then it becomes a lot more complicated.
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Old 07-28-2007, 10:27 PM   #27
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From what I see from the picture, there's no reason to take the tub out. Maybe the tub skirt is resting on the subfloor and not the joist. If the tub is resting on the rotted floor, support the tub from below and remove the bad subfloor and replace with a new 3/4" ply. The toilet and sink I would remove and just cut the subloor into smaller manageable pieces and remove. Replace with two pieces of new ply and install blocking along the seam.
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Do not know if this was said, but a good Sledge Hammer works.
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Old 07-28-2007, 11:29 PM   #29
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Given all your restrictons, I would suggest approaching this repair from underneath, in the crawl space. As stated you will have to remove everything in the bathroom just to have enough room to move the tub, you will have to damage irreplacable tile to free the tub, most likely remove the bathrom door frame to have a big enough opening to get the tub out of the bath room so you have enough room to work the repair, then do it all in reverse; and have little chance of doing all this withour chipping the tub.

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Old 07-29-2007, 12:19 AM   #30
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Thank you warnerww, Ron6519, gregzoll and troubleseeker.

The tub is definetly NOT resting directly on any joists. I can actually see/touch the corner of the tub because the water ate a hole through the subfloor planks and dripped onto a joist, as you can see in the photo on the first page of this thread.

I'm really likeing the though of not taking the tub out. I certainly could put a good post under it... And then sister a joint onto the damaged on.

I gotta think about this, I'll be back at the house tomorrow doing more work. One thing I keep forgetting to check is if the tub is level, I hope it's close. Oh, and most or all of those boards nailed between the joists were put in by the last owner apparently trying to correct the problem when it began...

Thanks again everyone.

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