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Old 09-23-2009, 09:20 AM   #16
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Just a follow up, i heard back from one of the GC's that blew me off roughly 3 weeks ago, he still wants to have a look at my situation but I am really not interested in paying him $300 to have a look.
You are paying for the knowledge of what to and what not to do. I am sure you have no problem paying a doctor for his time to tell you whats wrong with you and what you need to do to recover. I am also sure you would not think about questioning said doctors consulting fee. It is the same principle with the contractor. If you had amassed the knowledge of the contractor in question you would not be here posting your questions. Why do you feel his/her time is any less valuable than any other professionals? The contractor has to evaluate the structure and then give you an explanation of what to do. They also have time invested in going to and from your house and time lost from ongoing projects that are for paying clients that must be compensated for. Then there is overhead and profit that must come out of that $300 in order for his/her company to be able to continue to operate. Any help or advice I would have been willing to give you with your current project will not be offered after your remarks. You have shown complete disdain and disrespect for the profession I have dedicated the majority of my life to as have many others. You have also made it very clear you do not value the skills or the time of those who have chosen this profession and obviously look upon them as being beneath you.

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Old 09-23-2009, 10:02 AM   #17
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So the beam directly above the wall is supported on both ends, correct?
With that, it's still difficult to determine the span design for that beam. The load path indicates that it is load bearing but it may be enough that it's supported on each end. In any case, you'll need to hire a structural engineer to calculate the loads on the beam.
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Old 09-23-2009, 11:39 AM   #18
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You are paying for the knowledge of what to and what not to do. I am sure you have no problem paying a doctor for his time to tell you whats wrong with you and what you need to do to recover. I am also sure you would not think about questioning said doctors consulting fee. It is the same principle with the contractor. If you had amassed the knowledge of the contractor in question you would not be here posting your questions. Why do you feel his/her time is any less valuable than any other professionals? The contractor has to evaluate the structure and then give you an explanation of what to do. They also have time invested in going to and from your house and time lost from ongoing projects that are for paying clients that must be compensated for. Then there is overhead and profit that must come out of that $300 in order for his/her company to be able to continue to operate. Any help or advice I would have been willing to give you with your current project will not be offered after your remarks. You have shown complete disdain and disrespect for the profession I have dedicated the majority of my life to as have many others. You have also made it very clear you do not value the skills or the time of those who have chosen this profession and obviously look upon them as being beneath you.
You need to evaluate your train of thought brother, I in no way ever disrespected your career or profession in what you do. Everything started because I kept getting blown off when the GC was suppose to come out. My simple remark about the $300 is the fact that times are tough now and it would upset me if I pay someone that amount to come out for 15min and they look at my scenario and say the wall can come down if it was obvious. And yes sometime you do need a second opinion, even when you are at the doctors so that could be me in the hole $600. Just because its someones career doesn't mean there isn't mistakes. So before you start bashing me and saying who I am and who I respect and disrespect you need to know me which you don't. I don't care if you have been around this site longer and have more posts, the way you just threw me under the bus in your post was BS. You had absolutely no info in that post worthy of being put up and you should of just sat in front of your comp saying what you wrote to yourself. If you also read my post I even said I didn't know if that was a good price or not so back off. You almost sound like the GC that blew off before, ARE YOU HIM?

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Scuba: Yes that wall does run on top of the wall I want to take down, like mentioned the wall framing in the garage does not sit flush to those beams you are looking at for some reason, I would of thought they would. Also the garage was always part of the house, a neighbor said they think the plans may have changed during the build to add the garage but weren't positive. I saw two other houses in the neighborhood and they are designed the same way.

Just in case it matters here is an outside shot of the house design, obviously it is the garage to the left in question.

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Old 09-23-2009, 11:52 AM   #19
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I was going to say post a pic of the outside
That changes everything
That wall was (is) or should have been a load bearing wall since it supports the roof
OR a beam above (attic/in-floor?) had to carry the weight of the 2nd floor wall/roof
Do you know if they added on the 3rd garage part or if the house was built that way?
If the wall did not originally exist then it was not load bearing

If from the post in the garage to the back there is a beam (can be 2x construction) & that was sized to carry that 2nd floor wall/roof then the wall below can come out

This is why its hard to evaluate over the net
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I completely understand why the net is a pain, just hoping I can know as much as possible about my situation before anything goes further. The garage was built when the house was and not added on at a later time. Only thing is the neighbor said he thought the garage was added during the building phase and wasn't suppose to be there but there are two other houses in my neighborhood the same as mine and built the same way so its odd. I am looking into some more and trying to find actual build plans through the city, hopefully that will shed some light.
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Obviously I am not the GC(s) you refered to as I am not located anywhere near you. If you need a second opinion from a doctor I bet you pay the fee without regards to the $300 you spent at the other doctor. You do so because you feel it is necessary to be as well informed as possible in the decision you are going to make. Again the principle is no different. Times are tuff and they are much tuffer for those in the construction industry then any other right now so you will get very little sympathy from me as to hard times. The tone implied in your post was sufficient to get the point across as to how you truly felt about the contractor and contractors in general. Did he really blow you off or just wasn't willing to drop what he was doing when you called and come running over right away to address your problem? If three legitimate contractors did in fact blow you off they are probably getting some kind of negative vibe from you? That in itself is a clue as to how you regard said contractors. Then that you do not feel that it is worth $300 or as you put it "not interested in paying" to have a professional opinion on the matter is another clue. I am sure you will not question the fee of the structural engineer when you consult with him or her. Obviously it is not obvious to you whether or not the wall could come down so it would be money well spent whether it took 15 minutes or not. Which again you are paying for the knowledge not neccisarily the time. Which the fact that you are not interested or do not feel it is worth that fee implies your true feelings with regards to those in the construction industry. Your reply just further verifies what your true feelings are with regards to said industry IMHO.
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ARI001: Stay out of my thread please, all you are doing is telling me what I think of contractors and engineers because I came here asking for advise. I can tell you what I think about you but it would be inapropiate for this site just like it is for you tell me how I look down upon people in your profession. All i did was come here to try and get some answers before I do anything further. Everyone has been helpful and working with me except you so until you know me, or actually care to write something that doesn't bash me back off.

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Old 09-26-2009, 06:31 PM   #23
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Well guys I sold off one of my ATV's and now have an Engineer coming out next week to have a look. We discussed a few things about what was going on and basically he is charging me a 1/3rd of what others were going to charge. If I need to get permits and a new design to remove the wall I told him the wall was just going to stay up so i wasn't interested in going forth at the moment so for him to just tell me where I stand for $100 works for me. Today I also pulled down a lot of drywall on the back wall and there is another post directly in line with the one in the wall I want out so who knows, hopefully the wall itself is just a partition and most of it can be taken out.




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