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fox_forma 09-20-2009 11:09 PM

Can't tell what to do with this wall, load bearing??
 
Thanks for taking some time to read my post as I am new around here but not new to forums in general. I feel right now I need to gather as much info as possible for my situation as I have been blown off by 3 separate GC's in my area who pulled a no show on me. I bought a house recently which has a three car garage, the third car garage side was sealed off and made into an extra room. I knew upon purchasing the house that room was going to get opened back up for my TOYS. We ripped down majority of what the previous owners did but there is a wall that runs almost the span of the garage and if I can open it up it would make things so much nicer and easier for me.

I tore down the sheet rock on one side of the wall and towards the front of the wall it is def load bearing. The only thing I am not understanding is the rest of the wall. From front to back it does not sit flush against the beam above, the framing is all single 2x6's. Where the compression post is that runs down to the cement floor is where the 2 main support beams meet in the attic for the bathroom and bedroom on the front side of the house. I know this has to stay by all means but what about the rest of the wall? Pics are below.

Here is the wall running from the front of the garage to the back, you can see the compression set-up at the front.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44...Picture110.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44...Picture109.jpg

Rest of the wall framing
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44...Picture112.jpg

This is where the two beams meet in the attic and where the load is being distributed down to the floor at the front of the wall I am trying to remove.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44...Picture103.jpg

From the 2 car garage side looking towards the third car. You can see the beam that spans the whole two car length.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44...Picture098.jpg

If anyone can proved insight that would truly awesome and I keep getting blown off by local people here in town. Not sure what the deal is but who knows. Also I should mention all the joists in the attic run parallel to the wall in question so I am hoping only the front area is the load bearing and the rest of the wall was just a partition. More pics available if needed!!

Bob Mariani 09-21-2009 06:01 AM

there may be bearing beams within this wall, but it is not a bearing wall itself.

fox_forma 09-21-2009 08:21 AM

SO does that mean I can take down the wall and just leave the front area where the load is being displaced through the stacked 2x6's?

fox_forma 09-22-2009 02:01 PM

Just a follow up, i heard back from one of the GC's that blew me off roughly 3 weeks ago, he still wants to have a look at my situation but I am really not interested in paying him $300 to have a look. What steps can i take when taking down the area around the compression beams to make sure everything goes smoothly? Any ideas why they would put almost a full wall up there and not just a main support beam where load is at the front. Seems that most 3 car garages are very open generally. Thanks

Wildie 09-22-2009 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fox_forma (Post 330963)
Just a follow up, i heard back from one of the GC's that blew me off roughly 3 weeks ago, he still wants to have a look at my situation but I am really not interested in paying him $300 to have a look. What steps can i take when taking down the area around the compression beams to make sure everything goes smoothly? Any ideas why they would put almost a full wall up there and not just a main support beam where load is at the front. Seems that most 3 car garages are very open generally. Thanks

$300 seems to be cheap insurance to avoid having everything fall down.
You wouldn't think twice about paying a dentist this much to brush your teeth.

fox_forma 09-22-2009 09:33 PM

To me it just seemed pretty high for a 12ft wall that I have already gutted and laid everything out for someone to look at. Maybe I just don't know what all goes into it but you can see the beams above it and the framing of the wall. I just assumed it would be something they would come in, generally look at and let me know where I stand. I don't think there is much to it. For $300 it sounds like I should be putting them to a much harder task. I would hate it if they came in for a 1/2 hr and just said "yeah it can come down here and here". I don't think there is to much to this wall but then again I am asking all the questions here so I am apparently confused myself.

Scuba_Dave 09-22-2009 09:40 PM

I can't tell on the attic pic what else might be there as far as studs/ bearing points
A lot can be missed just trying to look at something over the net

Gary in WA 09-22-2009 10:17 PM

The pics you have for attic are not enough. We can see a beam across the garage, parallel to the exterior opening, which way does it run in the attic? Which way (parallel or perpendicular) do the 2x4 ceiling joists on hangers in the attic pic run to the opening? Take more pics farther from the objects (6-8').

Be safe, Gary

fox_forma 09-22-2009 10:44 PM

More pics you shall receive.....

Here is what you are seeing above the beam in the garage that is running the length of the 2 car.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44...Picture102.jpg

This is the beam that runs perpendicular to the garage beam above, they meet right at the corner where the compression beam is that runs down to the garage floor.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44...Picture100.jpg
This is the rest of the beam to the left of the above pic.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44...Picture101.jpg

Some shots from the ceiling opening towards the beams at the bathroom. If you can't see them to well I can direct link them so they can be zoomed in.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44...Picture094.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44...Picture092.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44...Picture089.jpg

Also just so I don't get harassed about the open wires in some of the pics, they all have been taken care of and have their own junction boxes now. Thats how they were when I moved into the house a few months ago. I think I have more pics as well but that attic is extremely hot since I live in AZ..

Do any of them help out at all?

Scuba_Dave 09-22-2009 10:47 PM

So you have a wall running along the beam
Then another wall running along the top of the wall that you want to take out?

Clutchcargo 09-22-2009 10:54 PM

The pic in your first post that shows something that looks like a post... the strap makes me think that that is a post of some sort. What is directly above that?

Edit this is the pic I was talking about...
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44...Picture110.jpg

fox_forma 09-22-2009 11:24 PM

Clutch you are correct, that is a post, this I know has to stay no matter what. Directly above that is the corner where the beams are meeting up in the attic shots I took. Also if you look closely at the back of the picture you will see a doorway, the previous owners opened that up to make a hallway to the bathroom because at some point one of their kids was living in the third garage. A better shot is below as to where the door use to be. I am in the process of putting a new door up and knocking down the outside add on they did since it is basically a hazard. I believe there is another post running down this wall as well but need to dig deeper into it. The concrete slab you see in the pic with no carpet on it should be the outside and I truthfully don't know if that door was added to that spot or was always there. I am trying to see if I can track down blueprints from my city building inspectors sector.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44...Picture116.jpg

Scuba, yes there is a wall above the beam in the two car and a wall above the one in the garage in question. The main thing that has me believing the whole wall isn't bearing is from the post back the wall isn't flush again the beam above. It gradually comes away from it on a downward slope is probably close to 1" away from sitting flush to the beam. Does that make sense? I figure there is a post in the wall at the corner of the garage near the door opening supporting the beam and other post in the pic is the support for the front where the beams meet.

Scuba_Dave 09-22-2009 11:45 PM

If there is a beam under that 2nd wall in the attic then that probably is what holds up the wall/roof above
So then it depends upon length of that beam & if it was sized right
If most of the wall in the garage is NOT in contact with the beam above then those portions can't be carrying any weight

fox_forma 09-23-2009 02:10 AM

Scuba: I am not sure I am understanding what you mean by second wall in the attic. Do you mean over where the doorway is? If so I am still in the process of figuring out what the previous owners did. The wall to the right of the doorway does not seem like it should be there, it isn't in line with the wall I am trying to remove or the actual house line, it sticks out some. Looks like it was put up as part of the bedroom they made the third garage into.

Scuba_Dave 09-23-2009 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fox_forma (Post 331183)
Here is what you are seeing above the beam in the garage that is running the length of the 2 car.

This beam runs on top of the beam in garage
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44...Picture102.jpg

This is the beam that runs perpendicular to the garage beam above, they meet right at the corner where the compression beam is that runs down to the garage floor.

Does this wall then run on top of the wall you want to take down? It looks like it was built on a beam (2x construction) to support the wall/roof above
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44...Picture100.jpg
This is the rest of the beam to the left of the above pic.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44...Picture101.jpg


My notes in blue
It seems that these short walls in the attic support the roof?
Did they add on to the garage/roof?


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