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Old 03-10-2008, 02:31 PM   #16
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Can you glue drywall to painted conrete block pillars?


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Gluing the drywall or furring to the posts will only be as strong a bond as the paint has to the concrete blocks.
I would mechanically fasten the furring to the concrete blocks as an added precaution in case the paint doesn't have a good bond with the block(Pealing or chalking of the paint surface)

I agree with this statement. Concrete blocks are relatively soft in terms of concrete. I would fasten the fir strips to the block by means of http://www.itwbuildex.com/tapcon.htm





Simply drill a hole through the strip and concrete with a masonry bit and hammer drill. It is suggested to use a hammer drill, if you have no access to one then a normal drill would be adequate as long as you do not force the drill bit and over heat it. Then drive selected screw for the task into drilled hole, being cautious not to over tighten and strip the screw in its hole.

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Old 03-10-2008, 04:49 PM   #17
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I agree with this statement. Concrete blocks are relatively soft in terms of concrete. I would fasten the fir strips to the block by means of http://www.itwbuildex.com/tapcon.htm





Simply drill a hole through the strip and concrete with a masonry bit and hammer drill. It is suggested to use a hammer drill, if you have no access to one then a normal drill would be adequate as long as you do not force the drill bit and over heat it. Then drive selected screw for the task into drilled hole, being cautious not to over tighten and strip the screw in its hole.

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Thanks daryl.
I did think about drilling into the cement blocks, but since they are support posts (they have been in the basement for approx. 70 years) I did not want to compromise them in any way.
The paint that is on there now, is flat and not chipping. In fac, I tried to scrape it off, but I can't get that paint off whatsoever. It is really stuck on there.
So this is why I think I will go with the glueing.

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best of luck!!

be sure to post some pics of your before during and after!!

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....I did think about drilling into the cement blocks, but since they are support posts (they have been in the basement for approx. 70 years) I did not want to compromise them in any way.
That is part of the reason why I posted the point regarding the most common building practice of .....framing around the pillars.

The point I made was based on every construction plan that I have reviewed (during the course of project bids) that show the framing always around the block, or brick support pillars, so as not to insert anything (including fasteners) into the support pillars themselves. It is not a common practice to do so, because one fastener may loosen a large area of mortar, or create a crack that spans much more than the fastener diameter itself.

Based on the age of the home, and your description of the pillar support construction materials, I STRONGLY SUGGEST that you DO NOT install anything into them.

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That is part of the reason why I posted the point regarding the most common building practice of .....framing around the pillars.

The point I made was based on every construction plan that I have reviewed (during the course of project bids) that show the framing always around the block, or brick support pillars, so as not to insert anything (including fasteners) into the support pillars themselves. It is not a common practice to do so, because one fastener may loosen a large area of mortar, or create a crack that spans much more than the fastener diameter itself.

Based on the age of the home, and your description of the pillar support construction materials, I STRONGLY SUGGEST that you DO NOT install anything into them.
I agree with you, and I will not put anything in them.
The whole house (original one story) was essentially all torn down, except we did not dig foundations.
I beams were used in the new construction of the home.
(Drawings were done by architect and inspected, etc...)

I was going to frame around them when I did the framing but given that beside them I had ducts to frame around and also beside the cement pillars is a steel beam that runs the whole length of the house. So being a newbie I had no idea how to combine all of this and frame around them, so I just left them.

But I do remember you saying not to drill any holes in them way back that is why I am looking to do some other alternative.

I never had any intention of putting holes in them. I will just glue the furring strips and put the drywall on them.

Thanks a lot.
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best of luck!!

be sure to post some pics of your before during and after!!

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Yes, I will post them.
I can't wait to do that.
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If I glue the furring strips and then attach the drywall on them, would that be ok to do, and not compromise the pillars?

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Atlantic's approach is the best thatís spoken of here. To isolate the structural support that way there canít be any adverse effects, and anything you do is reversible without compromise to structural support.

Can you post a picture? That would be best to get a proper recommendation as to what to do?

No reason why after you inspected the paint on the block that you canít just glue fir strips and attach the drywall to them with 1" screws after the glue cures as stated above.

Unless... you mentioned you have a soffit above...perhaps the back of your drywall for your soffit is contacting the face of the column. So if you pack out the column then apply drywall you will be protruding past the soffit face by the thickness of the fir strip.


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Atlantic's approach is the best thatís spoken of here. To isolate the structural support that way there canít be any adverse effects, and anything you do is reversible without compromise to structural support.

Can you post a picture? That would be best to get a proper recommendation as to what to do?

No reason why after you inspected the paint on the block that you canít just glue fir strips and attach the drywall to them with 1" screws after the glue cures as stated above.

Unless... you mentioned you have a soffit above...perhaps the back of your drywall for your soffit is contacting the face of the column. So if you pack out the column then apply drywall you will be protruding past the soffit face by the thickness of the fir strip.


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Daryl, you are pretty amazing. That is exactly what is going to happen if I put the fur strips. They will protrude out past the already drywalled soffit.
And would look pretty funny.

Therefore, this does not seem to be an option any longer.

So, I guess I will either leave it the way it is, and just paint it the same colour as the room.

The only thing that bothers me is that you can see the mortar joints inbetween the blocks, what I also was thinking is that maybe I can put a coating of "something" all over it, so that they won't look like blocks on top of each other, and then either paint it or possibly put some wallpaper over them.

Thanks for your help.
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well... Yummy thanks for your compliment,

perhaps... if you do go this route you might be able to conceal the discrepancy and dress it up at the same time with installing a crown molding.

do you have means of posting a picture?

Another option you might consider would be to stucco the pillar to achieve uniformity and cosmetic pleasure.


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Here is a picture of the column in question.

(Sorry, I couldn't turn the image around)

I had put a plastic j-bead there because I could obviously, not get the corner bead there.

All I am really looking for is to make it look good.

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how long is that soffit?

seeing how it is NOT taped yet is it feasible to remove the drywall on the face of the soffit add fir strips to the column and the face of the soffit. you can reuse the drywall for the soffit if you remove it carefully.

Voila!


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how long is that soffit?

seeing how it is NOT taped yet is it feasible to remove the drywall on the face of the soffit add fir strips to the column and the face of the soffit. you can reuse the drywall for the soffit if you remove it carefully.

Voila!


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I really don't want to remove it.

The soffit is very long, 30 feet long and about 48 inches wide. (a lot of taping)

I think I am either going to do some sort of stucco, or I am going to put wallpaper on it.

Would I be able to stucco it? And what would I use to do that?

Thanks for your help.
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I really don't want to remove it.

The soffit is very long, 30 feet long and about 48 inches wide. (a lot of taping)

I think I am either going to do some sort of stucco, or I am going to put wallpaper on it.

Would I be able to stucco it? And what would I use to do that?

Thanks for your help.
If your going to stucco the soffit,why not put a stucco finish right over those concrete blocks?
No framing,no sheet rock,no mudding.
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i think thats what mummy is referencing is the column.

IMO if your going to go through the trouble of stucco on the column you might as well just glue drywall to the column and when you cornerbead (CB) it you have a couple of options...

you can adhere the CB with joint compound or you can use a crimp tool then tape your CB.




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