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Old 02-25-2008, 03:13 PM   #16
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i do see what you are reading. yes, predrilling will make the process much easier, but if you are going to drill a pilot hole in the concrete i'll show half a dozen better alternatives than a masonry nail!! For that matter, if you are going to predrill the hole, save yourself a trip to the hardware store and just use a 16d framing nail or whatever you have around the house that is longer than the hole is deep and will act as a pin and keep the 2x from skating. Bobby pins would almost be good enough to accomplish the function you need in a predrilled hole

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Old 02-25-2008, 03:15 PM   #17
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i do see what you are reading. yes, predrilling will make the process much easier, but if you are going to drill a pilot hole in the concrete i'll show half a dozen better alternatives than a masonry nail!! For that matter, if you are going to predrill the hole, save yourself a trip to the hardware store and just use a 16d framing nail or whatever you have around the house that is longer than the hole is deep and will act as a pin and keep the 2x from skating. Bobby pins would almost be good enough to accomplish the function you need in a predrilled hole

Mainly if I gotta drill and buy a hammer drill I might aswell just use the .22 charged nailers. Those don't need pre-drilled and can be had for 30 bucks + nails. Plus it has to be faster!
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Old 02-25-2008, 03:26 PM   #18
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correct. but unless you think you will have other uses for a gun, or you just have $35+ burning a hole in your pocket, go buy a box of 2-1/4 or 2-1/2" masonry nails for $5 and try that first. You really only need to drive about 3 nails for every 8' 2x, so you might find that 1lb of nails will last you a lifetime

Main thing to remember is if you buy the gun is there is a HUGE difference between concrete fasteners and concrete anchors. Masonry nails and the .22 cal pins are only fasteners, and should never be used in place of anchors. The job you are describing here is a fastening job for sure, but many other applications should be done with anchors, not fasteners
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Old 02-26-2008, 09:12 AM   #19
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What sized hammer do I need for this? And would it just be as easy to buy the .22 charged nailer?
Like others said,if you are only going to use the .22 nailer a few times,it's not worth the cost.
My suggestion to pre-drill was for the sill plate only,not into the cement.
When using the concrete nails,the lay of the wood grain may cause the nail to go through the plate at a slight angle,causing the nail to break/bend or hit the concrete and "skip" across the surface.It will also act as a holder for the nail,lessening the chance of hitting your fingers.
By pre-drilling the wood only( make sure the nail fits snugly),you are insuring a straight shot to the concrete.A 20 oz. hammer would do the job with a few good blows.
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I think I am going to go ahead and do that. It seems the cheapest and no-nonesense way. I have a mini sledge already, not sure the weight though. Wonder if that will be heavy enough! If not I will make sure to pick up a 20oz!

Thanks for all the tips
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Why does it say this : Application Specs:
Predrill a 3/16" Pilot Hole through object and into concrete. Drive Concrete Nail with a 2lb. hammer until fluch with object. Minimum Embedment = 1"

Is that just to make it easier to go in?
When we do basement remodels (also finishing/repairs/concrete wall fastening), we use .22 cal powder actuated fasteners. They are quick, and they do the job. We have several of them, including a .27 cal model.

I highly recommend that you consider that route. The time you save is worth the cost of purchasing one. Make sure that you clean it daily using a gun cleaning solution (Carbon cleaning).

If you go that route, use the coated nails for ACQ lumber.

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I purchased a .22 cal. powder actuated nailer for my basement project. I got the Ramset brand. not the actual gun one but the one where you strike the firing pin with a hammer to set the charge. It cost me less than $20. Figure $5 for a pack of ammo and $10 for a box of fasteners. Worked like a charm. Very quick, very easy!! I would not have even considered crawling around on my hands and knees trying to beat nails into the concrete with a hammer. Its up to you but I'd go with the nailer like Atlantic said. When you see how much the rest of your supplies cost and the total cost of the project....is $30-$40 more that much when you consider time and effort saved? I bet you pay more to fill your car up with gas.

Since then I have used it to hang shelving on the concrete basement foundation walls, and let my buddy borrow it to work on his basement....not a bad investment even if you only use it once or twice after your basement is done.
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Old 02-27-2008, 02:41 PM   #23
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The price is pretty damn nice on those. Some people would say saving 40 bucks would be worth the extra work but I am lazy. Getting this project done in the first place will be a miracle!

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