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Old 01-21-2009, 01:34 PM   #16
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I don't know much about the tank less water heater but I have seen pex freeze. Granted it was 1/2" but even 1" will freeze, just take a little longer. I live in Wisconsin and deal with the same freezing temps as you. I would not put anything water related in the attic or on the exterior walls.
All I have are exterior walls. I agree, I would much rather send it up a nonbearing wall, but I don't have that are available without adding another 40 feet to my hot runs. Foam insulation should do the trick for condensation before entry to the attic, right? As far as freezing in the attic is concerned, Terry Love has some tips for stacking insulation batts:

http://www.terrylove.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25343

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Old 01-21-2009, 01:51 PM   #17
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You have a basement and there's not enough room on any exterior wall to hang it? Wouldn't it be much simpler to drill the vent through the foundation and run water lines from the well?
I have a porch, windows, and doors that prevent this type of scenario. I suppose I could run the vent to the far end of the house (about twenty feet from the utility room, but I would need to run the vent along the rim joist while maintaining setback from combustible materials and while maintaining two-percent slope for condensate. My walls are 2x4 construction, so I'm not sure how I could accommodate a 4" vent. I guess I could box in the vent next to my front door.
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I see your conundrum, but still, if you ever do have a water break in the attic, everything will be ruined.
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I do have a chimney at the far end of the house. The issue is that it's the end of the house furthest from my fixtures. They're pretty much all concentrated within about 20 feet of each other. If I didn't have to feed a 200 gallon garden tub, I wouldn't feel uncomfortable about routing the plumbing along the rim joists. Do you think an extra 20-25 feet for most of my runs would make much of a difference?
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I think you should post this as a new thread on the plumbing forum.
I believe you're plumbing has to reside completely on the on the warm side of the envelope. No matter how much insulation you use, if the pipes are on the cold side, they will still freeze. It will just take a little longer to freeze.
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Is your heater gas or electric? If electric, are you aware of the large power draw for these tankless units? The general consensus in these forums is that these heaters leave a lot to be desired! Have you done any research on these? Water tank heaters have been vilified, and although heat is lost from the tank, it just goes to help heat the house!
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I think you should post this as a new thread on the plumbing forum.
I believe you're plumbing has to reside completely on the on the warm side of the envelope. No matter how much insulation you use, if the pipes are on the cold side, they will still freeze. It will just take a little longer to freeze.
I planned to place the Wirsbo PEX under tented insulation batts. If I ran it along the rim joist, I would make sure it's on the right side of the insulation. I just discovered some hidden copper on the far side after it burst yesterday. Fortunately I didn't have anything downstream, so I put in a sharkbite stop until I can tear out all the copper and PVC that's currently in place.

How do I move the thread over?

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Is your heater gas or electric? If electric, are you aware of the large power draw for these tankless units? The general consensus in these forums is that these heaters leave a lot to be desired! Have you done any research on these? Water tank heaters have been vilified, and although heat is lost from the tank, it just goes to help heat the house!
Yes, I initially considered putting in a Stiebel Eltron 36KW unit, but I'm not ready to do the service upgrade to 350A at this point. The Rheem unit is a 199kbtu LP model. My aim was not so much to save money or the planet as it was to get the tank out of the area designated for my home theater and to supply a 200 gallon Kohler River Bath. I think the electric models leave a lot of folks disappointed, but the gas fired models seem to enjoy a fairly good reputation.

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